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by lpolovets 3045 days ago
> Sure: but let's dig in. I'm interested. Out of those 65 investments, how many did you explicitly lead?

Our first fund wrote $200k-$300k checks and made 40+ investments. Those checks were small parts of seed rounds, and we only led about 10% of the time.

The current fund writes ~$750k checks and has done 20+ investments, and we've led (or co-led) about 50% of the time.

> (1) What's a meeting to you? Keep in mind that your Principals and / or Associates conducting meetings and diligence should not qualify as meetings.

They count for my fund :). Generally we do 2 smaller meetings (maybe associate the first time and partner the second time, maybe partner the first time and partner+associate the second time, etc), then a full partnership meeting.

The rough theme of these meetings are Get to know each other (1st meeting), Dig in more deeply (2nd meeting), and Crowdsourced Q&A (3rd meeting).

> If it's not with a GP it's not really a fundraising meeting and no founder should reasonably consider it such.

It's part of our process. If you don't do well with the first meeting -- regardless of whether it's with a partner, associate, or both -- the process ends. If you do well, again regardless of whom it's with, we'll ask to do a 2nd meeting where we can go deeper.

> How many of these investments had a term sheet after only one meeting?

Of the term sheets we've offered, all took at least a couple of meetings. When we participate on someone else's term sheet, we committed once during the first meeting, and I don't think we've ever committed after the first meeting but w/o a second meeting.

> On top of that, is the a correlation between leading an investment round and a fewer number of meetings with a founding team before investing?

Not for us. If anything, the correlation for us is that we tend to do more diligence/meetings when we lead. When we lead, we know other investors will ask us to share diligence, and the founder will send some investors to us so that we can tell them why we're excited, so we want to have even more conviction than usual. We can get that extra conviction through a little more diligence.

> Also, out of the investments that took "2-4 meetings", did the founders ever roadblock you from investing (i.e. it's a meeting but the founder "isn't fundraising"?)

We don't do a great job of outbound tbh, so usually we meet founders because they are already fundraising or about to start. If someone says they're not fundraising, we've rarely preempted, but for companies we really like, we will continue to communicate regularly with the founders until they decide they want to raise. (And we realize they might decide they don't want to raise at all).

> If I were to give advice to new founders (and I do get asked occasionally, but I'm literally nowhere close to a celebrity fundraiser and still a fledgling entrepreneur) it's, "I still don't understand fundraising. Just be yourself and build something you're passionate about, have confidence, be persistent, be kind, and the right people will come along. You'll probably trick yourself into thinking you understand something about the process, but realistically, fundraising is just about people and relationships, and shit is messy. Be humble and thankful, and try not to waste too much time discussing fundraising strategy with investors on Hacker News."

I think this is great advice :)

(FWIW all of these answers are on behalf of my fund, and other funds might be different. But I generally don't see established seed funds committing after a single meeting.)

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> It's part of our process. If you don't do well with the first meeting -- regardless of whether it's with a partner, associate, or both -- the process ends. If you do well, again regardless of whom it's with, we'll ask to do a 2nd meeting where we can go deeper.

Great post, going to nitpick here: it doesn't matter what you consider a meeting, it matters what the founder considers it. A meeting with an Associate is not a meeting. It's a "get to know you" - it's not a real meeting until a GP is involved. That's the only time when there's money on the table. And if there's money on the table and there's not a "default invest", that's when you (as a founder) should mentally divest from the relationship. This is, as I understand, literally stock advice from most accelerators and experienced Angels / founders. In fact, I think the general advice is, "do not take meetings from Associates at all if you can avoid it. Get to a GP as fast as is humanly possible."

But isn't a 1st meeting with a GP not a real meeting as well in that case? Because if money is not on the table at meeting #1 (whether with a GP or associate), then it's not a real meeting. And that means the only real meeting is the 3rd meeting (partner meeting)... but you can't get there without the first two "encounters" :).
Associates cannot generally make investment decisions, and do not generally factor heavily into the decision to invest. A GP does; thus, impressing the GP on the 1st meeting makes it a real meeting. Impressing an associate on the 1st meeting is effectively useless, except for getting you to the real '1st meeting.'

That's how most founders see it, and why the advice of most former founders is 'avoid associates unless there is absolutely no way you can get in front of a GP directly.'

That's not meant to sound offensive, but it's definitely how most founders I've spoken to see it.

> We don't do a great job of outbound tbh

I can only speak personally, of course, but all the time you spend here on HN, and the helpfulness of your posts, have definitely established you as someone I will want to talk to when the time comes.

Thanks, Scott! I appreciate that and look forward to hearing from you someday :)