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by sabat 5775 days ago
I suppose programming as a particular profession may have this dark secret; I'm not a straight-up developer (meaning I'm an IT generalist who does develop but usually has some sort of hybrid job including mgmt).

However: I know lots of 50-something developers who have no problem maintaining employment and contracts. They are top-notch; their skills are current and their proven track record and accomplishments are what get them gigs. Companies want them because they're less of a risk -- instead of guessing whether the young guy will develop the right skills, they can take much less of a risk and get someone who's already proven himself.
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didip 5775 days ago
Observing older programmers within my circle, they tend to master a few specialized skills that's hard to get from the hardcore and enthusiastic 20+.

There are a lot of subdomains within programming. Mastering things like Unix tools, patching certain web servers, knowing the kinks of specific RDBMS and/or filesystem, how to design batch processing, makes you a lot harder to be replaced by those 20+.

Not all 20+ guys are hacking on PyPy or Firefox. Most of them are Rails/PHP warriors. Competing against them is a lot easier if you master skills that can only be obtained by experience.

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jacquesm 5775 days ago
Don't rule out the embedded world either. Lots of gray hair there.
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cageface 5775 days ago
This is key. There may be some professions in which you can kick back and slack off after 40 but programming is very much not one of them.
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hga 5775 days ago
How many of them are normal, full time permanent employees vs. contractors? The major issue I perceive here is that things are ugly for people wanting the former and many aren't cut out for doing the latter.
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sabat 5775 days ago
They're mainly contractors, by choice it seems. But as far as I'm able to tell, things are ugly for anyone who wants to be a perm employee these days.
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hga 5775 days ago
Choice or necessity? As far as I can tell, if you want to keep programming with anything resembling good odds you can make a major name for yourself, become a multi-client consultant, specialize in embedded programming or get a serious government clearance. I suspect your example is survivorship bias with the 2nd option and perhaps some of the 1st. The ones who didn't chose contracting (and didn't get into either of the last two options) probably just aren't programmers anymore. The official statistics (age vs. profession) suggest as much.
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