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> If I bully a co-worker or start stating at work that I think someone is less capable for any reason linked to their biology, religion, sexuality or age I will be putting my job at risk.

He didn't really say women were less capable, though (biologically or otherwise).

He said that there are differences not related to capability, and that the current environment in tech is such that the work environment is more acceptable to people on the "male" side of those differences, which makes capable women less likely to go into or stay in tech. To increase diversity he suggested that we need to make the tech environment more friendly to women.

For example, he said that men on average are more competitive, and women more cooperative, and that women tend to value work-life balance more then men, and men tend to value status more. There's a fair bit of scientific literature supporting those claims. (To what extent these differences are biological rather than learned is less clear--but does it actually matter?)

Currently tech tends to favor competitive status seekers who will make their career the focus of their life (especially for management and leadership positions). Cooperative people who want a good work-life balance get left behind. He suggested Google move toward more pair programming and other cooperative ways of doing things, and make it so that it is easier for employees to balance their outside life with work. That should get more women coming into tech and increase the retention rate.

It is worth reading the actual memo if you have not. A very large amount of the discussion of it has been based on what people imagined it said, not what it actually said.

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>He didn't really say women were less capable, though (biologically or otherwise).

Did you read the memo?

>>I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership.

That says nothing about the abilities of his female coworkers who are already working at Google and who are already in the minority there.

He's saying that going full steam ahead trying anything and everything to get to 50/50 may be impossible without lowering the bar for women which is bad for everyone.

So which is it then? You're going from "He didn't say that about women" to "He said that about women but he didn't mean that about his women coworkers" - i.e. no true scotsman.

Even so, Damore did not specifically say that about "non-coworker women", he said it about women.

One is the distribution of the entire population, the other is a tiny and non representative sample. Take a probability class if that is hard for you to understand.
If :

A) For every woman in the general population who is qualified and wants to work at Google, there are two men (for whatever reasons)

B) the observed ratio at Google is two men per woman

Then, together, A and B are consistent with a belief that the women that currently work at Google are just as qualified and interested as the men.

That quote doesn't support the statement "women are less capable", since it refers to 'distribution of abilities'; whereas 'less capable' would usually be interpreted as a statement about averages.