[Tijdreiziger]

> and they are almost univerally scummy

Source? I do not think most of the ISPs in my area are particularly scummy. They provide reliable plain internet service with no data caps (and also TV/phone service if you so desire) for a reasonable monthly fee, and in my experience, most of them hire enough customer service workers on their support phone. All of them also resisted internet filtering until the legal system forced them to do so. What more is there to ask of an ISP?

[jstanley]

Good for you.

In my area none of them provide reliable internet service, most of them enforce some censorship and have poor customer service, and all of them perform the legally-mandated surveillance.

[gspetr]

> What more is there to ask?

Taking care of insecure IoT devices would be a start: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15946095