[ryandvm]

> It took me over a year of working with them to really get a feel for them

I had a similar experience. It took quite a while for me to stop shooting my foot. My takeaway from that experience was that, while they do have certain advantages, Promises suck. Any abstraction that is so unintuitive that it takes beginners dozens or hundreds of hours to master is probably not an abstraction worth using - especially if it is supposed to be a primary feature of the language.

[z3t4]

I had the same experience with the callback pattern. It literally took a whole year to grok. And I code almost every day. I'm now a ninja with callbacks. So it's a hard to motivate myself to learn Promises. Syncronious code is more easy to deal with, and you get concurrency by thread abstraction. But it will eventually bite you when you start to get double transactions eg line 1 checks if there's funds in the account, line two draws money, line 3 inserts good. But then another thread takes the money between line 1 and 2. And then the "single threaded" event loop actually becomes easier to deal with then making sure your code is "thread safe" with locks etc.

[marcosdumay]

> Any abstraction that is so unintuitive that it takes beginners dozens or hundreds of hours to master is probably not an abstraction worth using

Javascript can not depend on anything like that, because it's a gatekeeper language. But that is too general a phrasing.