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by steveeq1 3050 days ago
I wonder what they're policy is on adult. I do some work on an adult site and ccbill has got to be the worst credit card provider out there. Adult payments need to be disrupted.
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Part of the appeal of bitcoin is that you don't need to care what a payment processor thinks of your business.

You're welcome to accept bitcoin payments without using coinbase or any other payment processor.

Right... but then you have to manage securing and cashing out the tokens yourself.
That's a much easier problem to solve than the initial problem of building a profitable business.
Agree, lots of value can be provided to services in the grey-area. Specifically Coinbase doesn't allow this.

Under "Prohibited Businesses" you can see "Adult Content and Services" being listed. Source: https://www.coinbase.com/legal/user_agreement?locale=en

Really funny how we've come full circle to the same centralized cabals acting as the gatekeepers decentralized currency was meant to destroy.

It just goes to show, as long as the world runs on fiat currency, and you need to convert from cryptocurrency -> fiat to live your life, the conversion point (e.g. Coinbase) will always be a point of failure and regulatory capture.

Nothing really stops you from processing crypto-coins unlike credit cards where Visa and MasterCard have the last say. With crypto you no longer need approval from the platform owner. If you don't like Coinbase you can create your own coinbase-like platform. You have to remember that with fiat you don't have much control over your money either unless it's cash so I believe crypto-coins are a big step forward.

Buying fiat with crypto is another issue but as long as crypto coins are accepted widely there will always be ways to buy goods, services and even fiat.

Are there any checkout systems pre-built solely for holding crypto afterwards, and not for converting to fiat? Guessing Coinbase has to have it like that because they interact with wider networks.

If you wanted to sell a saucy story, how'd it work? Essentially a hot wallet with a webhook?

You’d just need an extended public key that gives unique addresses to buyers and a price API to provide rate conversions. Your private key can be offline or on a hard wallet. Also see btcpayserver for an open source bitpay clone that does what you are thinking and more
Far from being an argument against cryptocurrency's utility, that's a very strong argument in favour of using cryptocurrency.

The more people who use cryptocurrency, and accept payment in cryptocurrency, the easier it is to live your life with minimal exposure to the likes of Coinbase.

There is no such clause in the Coinbase Commerce TOS[0], and "Coinbase Commerce accounts are completely separate from Coinbase accounts"[1].

Also not sure what the Coinbase Commerce account is even for since "Coinbase Commerce is not a hosted service".

[0]: https://commerce.coinbase.com/legal/terms-of-service/ [1]: https://commerce.coinbase.com/faq

That's true, didn't know about that. However, the Coinbase Commerce has a clause that I guess (if they feel like), can apply for adult entertainment businesses.

> You agree not to use the Services in ways that:

> Are illegal, obscene, defamatory, threatening, intimidating, harassing, hateful, racially, or ethnically offensive, or instigate or encourage conduct that would be illegal, or otherwise inappropriate, including promoting violent crimes;

Depending on who you ask, "obscene" and "otherwise inappropriate" can cover adult entertainment.

Guess it's impossible for us to guess, unless a case goes to court.

I don't think the courts have anything to say about it; Coinbase can refuse your business for any reason. Adult businesses aren't a protected class.