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I haven't had this problem either. We also tend to hire more experienced folks though. A lot of startups are hiring junior folks who might not know the best way to structure things. There aren't a ton of incentives to write tests at startups and it's hard to get right. Very different when you write an infra product though :). It likely depends on the kind of product you're shipping.

Consumer might not need that as much as enterprise.