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by loorinm 3049 days ago
OP here. Wow thanks for all the replies and views on why war happens.

I guess you could always explain any war by listing all the events that came righ before, but I don’t think that answers another question, which is this:

Why is it “ok” for governments to hire huge groups of people to murder other people, when murder is not ok in other settings? This is an obvious legal and moral contradiction right?

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"This is an obvious legal and moral contradiction right?"

No it is not. Legally it is only for members of the own society.

But in war this society acts as a group against another group. Legally totally different. (morally different story) But still complicated especially today with asymmetrical warfare. (france for example has no death penalty, but don't want their (IS) djihadists to come back and create legal problems (proving guilt is hard and putting them in jail creates also problems) ... so apparently it is easier for the French government to (secretly) order their special troops to make sure that not much of the french jihadists ended up as prisoners in syria or elsewhere and then demanded being brought back to french .. because killing in war is legal .. but since they have doubts on their own, it is of course not officially practiced)

Oh and in theory of course, nobody is starting a war anymore, since this is somewhat outlawed. Everyone is only "defending".

Which does make sense, also morally - so yeah I believe in general it is OK to have a group of people trained to kill in case bad killers invade. Having a army to defend. Simple isolationist?

But what if there are friends of yours under attack somewhere else in the planet? You go and help them, morally right, I believe.

But then things get complicated ... as "friends", people, cultures and states are not homogeneous things. So those friends of yours might be part of a legally justified dictatorship.

So you invade that dictatorship? And teach them democracy?

Well, that failed quite spectacular all the last times, but maybe that was also because of different reasons, as there were usually not so much "friends" who needed help, but rather a lot of hypocrisy to disguise plain old power politic where war is just a tool for politics in the bigger cultural struggle.