[kjhgfgbhnj]

And this is only number of countries - it doesn't weight them by importance. So being able to travel to a dozen tiny Caribbean islands offsets not being abke to go visa free to India or china.

Also visa free doesn't mean much - europeans can go to the US without a Visa, you just need to register online in advance, provide all your details and have the airline supply the details of all the other flights you take, your credit card numbers and what kind of meal you had - but no actual visa

[ciupicri]

Not all Europeans can go to the US without a Visa. Romanians stills have to apply for a visa and I think that Bulgarians too.

[Kliment]

Indeed, and this is also true for non-EU Europeans.

[kjhgfgbhnj]

My point was that:

You don't need a visa, a visa is a form you have to fill in before they allow you in the country.

Instead you just have to fill in these other bunch of forms before they allow you in without a visa.

[rdtsc]

I guess the difference is that in one case they have to explicitly allow you in -- by issuing the visa. And in the other case, they have to explicitly not let you in (presumably by stopping you at the airport before boarding?).

[kjhgfgbhnj]

The new US online form authorizes you before you go - can't see how that is different from a visa.

[rdtsc]

Yes in that case it is not. They are just saving you a trip to the embassy and $100+.