[simonh]

The fact there’s a reason for it doesn’t change the fact.

However yes, public highways cost money to maintain. They can’t be truly free unless the construction and maintenance were free - donated land and volunteer labour? Right. Otherwise somebody has to pay for it.

Frankly it’s potentially the same way with published scientific papers, we do need a system of professional peer review. That could be voluntary, but would probably be better if it were independently funded in some way. ArXiv is one approach but I’m not sure it’s a complete solution.

[taneq]

Now imagine your state funded public highways were vetted by some private company, let's call them "Elsewhere, Inc", who wrote a 3-line review of each highway and then charged taxpaying members of the public $30-$50 per journey to use those highways. And then Elsewhere, Inc managed to convince most civil engineering companies to gauge employees' performance solely by whether or not Elsewhere, Inc has reviewed the roads they built.

[jhbadger]

Actually, imagine that rather than writing the reviews themselves, Elsewhere simply asked other road builders to evaluate the roads of their peers for free. That's the situation in publishing -- the publishers don't even do the peer review -- they get content for free from authors, get peer review for free from reviewers, and then charge readers to access the final papers!

[taneq]

You know it's bad when I'm being snarky and I still don't push it as far as they do with a straight face.

[TeMPOraL]

Peer review is already being done and it's free. Distribution is "too cheap to meter". Editing is pretty much not done at all at the publisher level.

So to fit the road tax model - we already pay for research. So let's add 0.0001$ extra tax for publishing, and kill off the current publishers.

[Gravityloss]

Peer reviewers are not usually compensated.

[Maken]

Peer review is voluntary and done by other researchers in the field. Publishers mostly take care of editing the final text (basically typos and formatting) and uploading them to their servers.