[oneshot908]

Sure, that's on par with base $25K Camaros/Mustangs. It's not on par with the sort of Camaro/Mustang one can procure for ~$50k or the same price as a Model 3 that isn't barebones (and I just tried to config one on Tesla's web site and alas you can't so I can't give an exact number here).

For ~$50K, ICE sports cars are sub 4 seconds. That said, it is on par with low-end sport coupes so I see some of the appeal. It's just not appealing to me.

[RickJWag]

I'm with you. I'm a car nut, and I'd love a bare-bones performance EV. The instant torque sounds amazing.

Just give me something that's affordable, reliable, as light as possible and all-weather capable. It's fine to cut corners on interior materials and gadgets. Keep the electric windows, just give me the torque!

[greglindahl]

... that's what the Bolt and Model 3 are.

[ovis]

Reliable might be an open question, and something 2-3 times the price of a Corolla or Civic is affordable to a very particular demographic.

[greglindahl]

We've already had plenty of pointless discussions about the word "affordable" on HN. If you want to cast aspersions on "a very particular demographic", be my guest.

[oneshot908]

And this is why I listen to car people about cars, not techies. I drove a Bolt, I like the Bolt, but it's no sports car. To put this into perspective, do you make your SW/HW decisions based on the suggested content from Twitter/Facebook?

[greglindahl]

The person I responded to did not ask for a sports car.

[oneshot908]

Yes he did, apparently you didn't read the bit about wanting the torque, which electric cars have from 0-20, and then peter out (except Teslas).

For a mainstream electric car, the Bolt is exceptionally good in driving more like a 2009ish Rav4 than a 2017ish Kia Soul, but it's no sports car, even in sports mode. But in a world where people think a Scion FRS is a sports car, I can understand the confusion.

[WorldMaker]

Did you try its Sports mode?

[oneshot908]

Indeed I did. I like the Bolt. If I lived in a city, I'd probably buy one right now. But sport mode != sports car. Just like Elon Musk != Skunk Musk...