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"But it's better than no job at all."

If that's all you have to defend it with, then you have nothing to defend. People expect better of Amazon, as they should. The company turned the owner into the richest man on the planet; there is zero excuse for short changing the workers.

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> If that's all you have to defend it with, then you have nothing to defend.

Sure. No problem. They'll just have no job. And you can continue to believe that.

> The company turned the owner into the richest man on the planet

Because of the value of his stock. NOT income from sales! Amazon does not have extra money from sales to raise wages with. Their retail business runs at a loss actually. Raising wages would make things even worse.

> there is zero excuse for short changing the workers.

That's not what short changing is. Short changing is not delivering what was promised.

There is no magic fairy that can go around giving people money, as you seem to think "just give them more money".

There's a reason we tell students to finish high school, and go to college or a trade school - to avoid these kinds of jobs.

You actually want to help them? Figure out how to give them more education. Complaining that Amazon is helping them, but "not enough" is worthless.

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"Sure. No problem. They'll just have no job. And you can continue to believe that."

Ahh yes, the old, "You must lick the boots of your corporate masters for seeing to bless you with a few crumbs!" argument. It has never, ever held water.

"Amazon does not have extra money from sales to raise wages with."

That is a complete and utter lie.

"Their retail business runs at a loss actually. Raising wages would make things even worse."

The business as a whole, which is built on top of the retail business, is quite profitable. Them deciding to run retail at a loss does not change things.

"That's not what short changing is"

Yes, it is.

"There is no magic fairy that can go around giving people money, as you seem to think "just give them more money"."

Nobody is asking for a "magic fairy." They're pointing out that it's extremely unconscionable that the richest man in the world cannot afford to pay his workers a living wage.

"There's a reason we tell students to finish high school, and go to college or a trade school - to avoid these kinds of jobs."

And the people who don't have much choice should just go to hell? Seriously, what is it with this idea that people who weren't able to get an education, for whatever reason, don't deserve to be treated with dignity and respect?

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>Because of the value of his stock. NOT income from sales! Amazon does not have extra money from sales to raise wages with. Their retail business runs at a loss actually. Raising wages would make things even worse.

The value of the stock is supposed to be a reflection of the value of the company. If their retail business is worthwhile even if running at a loss, than they could run at a larger loss with the only downside being the company's value dropping.

>You actually want to help them? Figure out how to give them more education. Complaining that Amazon is helping them, but "not enough" is worthless.

Better education takes more tax money, something Amazon has spent their entire history trying to avoid paying. And how many of them need better education before the necessary jobs at the warehouses get better conditions?