[rtpg]

you think the auto worker unions killed the midwest?

The industry is still afloat despite foreign car companies eating US car company's lunch (because of poor quality on the US side, and that's not on the linepeople), and many people in those industries are getting proper paychecks.

The only difference I see in a non-unionized auto industry is even lower wages and less time off. Unions didn't cause bad car design.

[skybrian]

I don't know about that. It's pretty old history now, but you might want to learn about what happened at NUMMI versus most other American manufacturing plants at the time (early 80's). Plenty of blame to go around, with management, union rules, and workers, but there are vivid tales of workers doing things resulted in very bad quality. [1]

Today, it seems pretty clear that police unions in some cities are a big blocker when it comes to meaningful reforms.

Which is not to say I'm anti-union, but there are some cautionary tales. It's mixed. Scorched-earth tactics (on either side) are not the answer.

[1] https://www.thisamericanlife.org/561/nummi-2015