[catherd]

There's still plenty of manufacturing going on, it's just mostly all moving outside the built up parts of the city, or to Dongguan.

It's the same dynamic you'd expect in America or elsewhere. A combination of gentrification, government policies encouraging factories to move their pollution away, rising salaries in the city...

I run a little design + CM about an hour out of town. There's still ton's of manufacturing going on out here. We are right next to a big Foxconn and if you go out at the shift change in the morning it's like watching a wildebeest migration except everybody is wearing a embroidered Foxconn jacket. So both large and small scale going on.

I think the aspirations to live better here is great. There has been a big push to clean up pollution and the air is noticeably better than 3 years ago. We've had some rough patches dealing with painting suppliers closing down or having to relocate, but it's totally worth it to breathe easier.

Our situation is even somewhat similar to Silicon Valley/SF right now in that the younger professionals want to live downtown and it's sometimes challenging to recruit them from a boring place outside of town.

I don't think anywhere else is a "realer deal" for consumer grade manufacturing. Some stuff gets moved into the interior of China, but that's usually larger scale stuff that can justify planning out a complete campus. Other things move out to countries like Vietnam. But this area is still where you want to be if it's a new product or need access to prototyping capabilities you can't find elsewhere.

[nik_0_0]

Do you have contact info? Would love to hear about the design + CM scene there. Mine's in profile.

Dongguan definitely feels like it has taken off, can only assume the next Huaqiangbei is there now.

[tomcam]

Ditto

[catherd]

I think there really isn't much of a scene in the sense the GP is probably thinking. Most everyone here concentrates directly on work and family. Activities that are indirectly linked to work/technology like the typical networking-event-disguised-as-a-party just don't happen that much here. There are a few. It's much more about finding a selection of partner businesses that you can work with reliably.

Even the younger crowd I mentioned above who like the city center often amaze me... it's like they don't really understand how to just have fun. When they do go out for fun it's often to a canned experience of some sort that promises a good photo op and not much else.

There is, however, a "foreigner who has come here and wants to build something" scene. Those guys mostly hang out near the Huaqiangbei market and sort of replicate the Silicon Valley vibe. Many of them are from there.

I don't think there will be another Huaqiangbei. HQB's big driver was factory storefronts. Before the internet it let people set up their sourcing/manufacturing chain without having to travel all over China to find it. Now that's mostly unnecessary and everyone uses Taobao or other online manufacturing marketplaces to connect with vendors. Especially if you've moved out of the city center it's not efficient to waste a day traveling into town and visiting the market when you can have the sample you need show up tomorrow morning (for $1.50 shipping) if you order it online. I'll swing through HQB about once a year for fun, but never just go there for parts.

[nik_0_0]

Thanks for the insight! The city center sure is a weird place, I don't think those mega-bars will ever make sense to me. I'd take Houhai in Beijing anyday.

Makes sense that Taobao/Alibaba have been able to fill the gap and get product shipped quickly.