[frgtpsswrdlame]

>Apparently the driver of the Tesla didn't have time to react to the firetruck as their field of view was obscured by a large pick-up truck that changed lanes seconds beforehand.

That changes the story a lot, do you know where you got that information?

[xya3453]

https://as.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/7s9b9p/tesla_al...

[Someone1234]

So unverified, and if verified the auto-pilot system was following dangerously closely?

[jws]

Suggested highway following distance is two seconds. This gives you time to react to a decelerating vehicle. It is not sufficient time to stop if a stationary object appears, either because the vehicle in front dodges out of lane, drives over it with higher clearance than you have, or plows into it.

It is entirely possible for the vehicle ahead to have an escape path to another lane but you to be pinned in your lane.

Our traffic laws don’t provide for a zero accident environment. They just reduce the damage and suffering to a level society will tolerate.

[kbutler]

> Suggested highway following distance is two seconds.

Suggested by tailgaters?

1) A two-second rule is insufficient.

2) You need more time if you can't see around or through the vehicle ahead of you (and various other reasons, like weather, road conditions, being followed by a tailgater, etc.)

California driver handbook: """ Most rear end collisions are caused by tailgating. To avoid tailgating, use the “3 second rule”: ...

You should allow for 4 or more seconds or when:...

Following large vehicles that block your view ahead. The extra space allows you to see around the vehicle. """

[jws]

Most US States say two seconds. Some say three. German law requires 0.9 seconds, but studies show 41% of drivers there follow closer in relaxed conditions!†

Out here in the relaxed midwest most drivers in 60mph traffic seem to follow about 1.5 seconds.

It looks like highway planners expect to get 1900 vehicles per lane per hour at saturation, that averages 1.9 seconds between cars.

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† https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-second_rule (wherein it proclaims sleep impaired drivers in bad conditions should leave 6 seconds). If you think you need a six second reaction time, pull over and get out of the car.

[kbutler]

I'm curious how you've determined "most US States". I cited CA above - 3 or more, Washington wants 4 seconds above 35 mph. Florida says 4 seconds during normal weather and traffic conditions (more if hazardous). Utah does say 2 seconds. Texas wants 4 seconds above 30mph. New York said 2 seconds but "In bad weather and when following large trucks, increase the count to at least three or four seconds for additional space."

And in any case, the 2 seconds is not the "suggested follow distance" it's the legal MINIMUM. That is, "You're clearly unsafe if following at any less than this," rather than, "Close up any gaps more than this."

[qznc]

The rule of thumb in Germany is "half speedometer" which corresponds to 1.8seconds. For example, if you drive at 80km/h, keep a 40m distance. The reflector posts [0] on streets out of towns have a 50m distance, so the distance between two posts at 100km/h.

[0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitpfosten

[barrkel]

At 80mph, 2 seconds is about 240 feet (72 metres); 3 seconds 360 feet (108 metres). I'd expect to have my safety buffer merged into with a three second gap. It can still happen with a 2 second gap, but it's a lot less likely.

[kbutler]

So you are willing to reduce your safety to stay ahead of the guy in the other lane.

Traffic flows best when drivers allow merges, not when they try to close gaps to prevent merges. Most aggressive mergers will quickly merge out as well.

You may even get some "thank you" waves...

[sangnoir]

> I'd expect to have my safety buffer merged into with a three second gap.

Does this happen frequently enough for you to ignore safety concerns? If so, you should be able to live(or not) with the tradeoff you are making.

[tbirrell]

I was in a crash some time ago where the car in front of me jumped out of the way because the guy in front of him was at a dead stop. A "safe distance" for following a car that will have to decelerate to stop moving is a lot different if you are approaching a stationary object. It's not fair to expect either a human or computer to meet the latter standard on a highway were you expect everything to be moving at a speed close to the speed limit. There is a reason you can get a ticket for driving too slow.