iCloud backups cannot be decrypted by Apple. They use hardware security modules to encrypt that data and the keys are generated on-device and can't be read.
In particular a limited subset of data uses end-to-end encryption, none of which is super interesting:
These features and their data are transmitted and stored in iCloud using end-to-end encryption:
iCloud Keychain (Includes all of your saved accounts and passwords)
Payment information
Wi-Fi network information
Home data
Siri information
I probably could have been more tactful. However the substance of my comment is correct, and while I believe Apple do great things in security and promoting privacy rights, they don’t provide end-to-end backups for most data via iCloud.
They don’t claim to, but the same misinformation gets spread every time this topic comes up on HN. If you want end-to-end encrypted cloud based backups of photos and other data on iOS you presently need to use a third party app.
Could you point to more detail on that? I know they use HSM for keychain escrow security. But the security white paper just says backup set and key are stored in the iCloud “account”, not keychain.
I know they said they could have accessed that San Bernardino terrorist’s iCloud backup if only they had one. Not sure if they’ve change the security architecture since then.
> I know they said they could have accessed that San Bernardino terrorist’s iCloud backup if only they had one. Not sure if they’ve change the security architecture since then.
I actually think they have, the shooting was in 2015 and iOS 10 was released in 2016 and was first to have some of the features he talks about in the video.
Chill. You’re extrapolating incorrectly from that brief support document. It doesn’t say that Apple can read the other encrypted stuff. The security whitepaper notes that things like iCloud backups are encrypted with keys that are stuffed into the keychain, which is then transmitted end to end encrypted.
Would you care to link to the section of the security white paper that says that? There’s a small subset of data that is encrypted end-to-end. Your photos, notes, most and most other information is not include in that.
It’s pretty obvious really, they need to know the key for encrypted at rest data in order to be able to reset your password if you desire. They absolutely do don’t currently offset end-to-end encryption on the majority of data in iCloud backups.
Not obvious. p55: “changing the iCloud password won’t invalidate existing backups.“
But you’re right, the paper doesn’t say they do encrypted iCloud backups yet. The infrastructure is there to store encrypted backup keys in the keychain and escrow them so they’re recoverable yet Apple never has access. It’s probably the same foundation for iMessages in iCloud which they are just rolling out. That lets them store your very sensitive messages in the cloud and restore them to new devices and reset your password, all without them ever having access to your keys.
See the section on keychain escrow and recovery for more detail. It’s a game changer and makes storing data in adversarial clouds feasible.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
In particular a limited subset of data uses end-to-end encryption, none of which is super interesting:
These features and their data are transmitted and stored in iCloud using end-to-end encryption: iCloud Keychain (Includes all of your saved accounts and passwords) Payment information Wi-Fi network information Home data Siri information