[psyc]

Don't shoot the messenger, but here are a couple more techno-morality scenarios:

* A browser extension that detects if the social media profile you're viewing face-matches any revenge-porn that's out there, and serves it to you

* A phone app that undresses people, or [woman < AGE], or whoever, in real-time via AI-guided compositing. Will this be considered as offensive as putting a mirror on your shoe?

* Digital VR girl/boy-friends ala the movie "Her", except with the face, body, and voice of anyone you choose

Suddenly all these things seem very close at hand.

[Y_Y]

I think it'd probably be safer putting a _lower_ limit on the age for your undressing app.

[stuntkite]

Yeah, because the people that are going to be virtually undressing minors are going to be stopped by DRM. I mean seriously the world is about to get a lot weirder. These tools aren't even hard to use currently with little to no programming experience. Sure it's tough to get good results but that's going to change quick. How we adjust as a planet and society is going to be a real growth experience ... or utter chaos. Maybe both?

[Swizec]

I think we’re going to come to consider these things normal and mundane.

Anyone can see you fake naked at any time. Meh who cares.

Anyone can put you in any random video. Meh who cares.

Anyone can ... meh

We used to think it scandalous/offensive for someone to take photos of us. Now it’s just part of being outside. We don’t even think about the fact that everyone walka around with a camera.

[djsumdog]

If it gets good enough that it becomes difficult to identify real security cam footage vs edited footage (which could be easier than you think considering the low quality/resolution of security cameras), there could be serious legal consequences.

What if a suspect's lawyer plays the same CCTV video and shows the arresting officer committing the crime and says, "See. Anyone could have made this evidence." You'd then have to prove chain of custody and it can get incredibly hairy .. but only if you're rich and famous enough to hire those lawyers and make that argument.

[smallnamespace]

We're going to need to digitally sign everything at the time of production to prove to they're not forgeries then.

[na85]

We already have the capability to do special effects and superposition in real time. My phone can do it with simple shapes in snapchat already, including with proper perspective and depth scaling.

Imagine what will be possible in even 5 years with good hardware. Deep fakes in real time, digitally signed.

[smallnamespace]

I'd imagine that the ability to fake and tell apart fakes will scale with computational resources, and so we will also have progressively stronger signatures that cost more computational power to generate.

This is basically already the premise of PoW -- it's hard to fake out the network and the chain of hashes show you exactly how much computational work was put into demonstrating veracity.

This doesn't remove the ability to fake things, but it imposes a price. If you really want to show something is real, dump a bunch of computation into computing hashes.

[Swizec]

Exactly. I think we're going to stop using video as evidence of anything.

[intended]

Only if you are in the first world and even then if you are some subgroup of people.

I know of and read about people commuting suicide or being killed because their honor was harmed.

This is not meh for many billions of people.

[Swizec]

> This is not meh for many billions of people.

I agree. It’s not meh for many people.

I think that the more common it becomes, the more social mores are going to change to accomodate it. Once upon a time dressing like people do today was scandalous now it’s not.

You know, like wearing a straw hat too late in the year leading to riots. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_Hat_Riot

[touristtam]

Well there was an app named "NameTag" back in 2014 that promised to find pictures online from a potential match [1], and some russian dude was matching pictures of strangers in the Moscow metropolitan train with online available pictures (I cannot find the article anymore unfortunately)

[1] http://www.ibtimes.com/nametag-facial-recognition-app-checks...

[antisthenes]

You should contact the Black Mirror writers and give them your ideas.