[mtgx]

One last time.

> Since at least May 2016, the surveillance agency had featured honesty as the first of four “core values” listed on NSA.gov, alongside “respect for the law,” “integrity,” and “transparency.” The agency vowed on the site to “be truthful with each other.”

Also, I'm thinking they should probably remove all of these, if they were truly honest with us. Respect for the law? Come on. They've been constantly misinterpreting what the surveillance laws actually allow them to do. And there's certainly no respect for the Constitution, because I don't think the Fourth Amendment means much to them anymore - even to the FBI, considering they can now get Americans's communications content without a warrant.

[zeristor]

Logically they only have to remove "honesty"

[logfromblammo]

Logically, if they removed "honesty" from their core values, there would be no need to delete it from their statement of core values.

[gt_]

Is “honest” even enough or is the proper claim “literally honest”?

[jjoonathan]

I feel like removing it completely would fail to capture the partial truth. Perhaps replace "respect for law" with "respect for authority"?

[brokenmachine]

They have removed honesty. After that point it doesn't really matter what's written - it all lacks honesty.