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by CandidlyFake
3068 days ago
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> Instead they have an awful terminal console, an oddly verbose shell language, and a slow case-insensitive programming language. The terminal is absolutely horrible. If you are going to use powershell, try ConEmu. I also agree with you on the language drawbacks, but it's object-oriented nature makes up for it in my opinion. Whereas on linux/unix you are generally passing and processing text to and fro, the ability to deal with objects can make things a bit easier and more robust. But considering that the windows world had to live with cmd/ms-dos forever, anything else seems like a god send. |
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As an example where they did object-based scripting better, I'd look to F#, which also is a vastly better language. But it doesn't have good on-the-fly capabilities (you have to set up a project each time and need VS), and it doesn't come built in.
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> [...] the ability to deal with objects can make things a bit easier and more robust.
There are drawbacks to that too, though. As a heavily object-based scripting language, PS would depend even more on tooling than scripting languages do anyway. But that in turn means that the tooling we get just isn't good enough. Windows is notorious for its bad CLI windows, which hasn't changed much even with Win10. Discovering objects in PS is a usability nightmare. The little tab completion there is might be fine for one-off commands, but for anything interesting, it'll fall flat on its face.
If you have heavily state-dependent task, ISE contains more friction than value. Until today, I haven't found a simple and fast way to wipe the shell window clean, for example. If you still have things like sockets lying around (which means you'll have to restart the process for a clean state, it seems you're SOL).
Which brings me to
> If you are going to use powershell, try ConEmu.
I'd love to. I can't. In many business environments where you're not in control, "just installing independent tool X" is not an option. Yes, organizational BS is a separate problem, but you're not getting anything done fighting it. And honestly: It's about effing time MS distributes actually usable tools with their OS. I really don't get why that's the particular thing they fail so gloriously at.
The same problem extends to all sort of things. For example: Why the hell aren't the Sysinternals tools built-in already? It's been what? A decade? And there still is no decent Task manager in Windows? Gimme a break!
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Edit: Added a quote for clarity