[Mediterraneo10]

> I would also say that in Jazz the rhythm of the music plays an outsized role as compared to classical. If you don’t “swing” you can’t play with anyone and certainly can’t play jazz.

A great deal of European jazz (represented by, for example, ECM) does not have have the concept of rhythmic swing. Unfortunately, there’s a tendency to talk about jazz as if the genre is purely the music of the New Orleans-Chicago corridor in early 20th century America, and jazz now has far too many subgenres in order for a claim about one to hold true for others. (Even improvisation is no longer de rigeur, and an artist may well perform from a written score.)

[wickawic]

I'm really interested in that. Do you have any songs/records in mind? Googling 'ECM Jazz' doesn't seem to bring up a wealth of relevant results.

[Mediterraneo10]

ECM has recently become available on streaming platforms, but the label acts quite aggressively against YouTube uploads of its music, so you’ll either need to use a streaming service or seek out the physical disc. However, I think that releases on the label like the Christian Wallumrød Ensemble’s The Zoo is Far or Vassilis Tsabropoulos’s Archirana would serve as good examples (just two among myriad) of how certain forms of jazz exist quite apart from traditional American expectations.

[yesenadam]

Well, they don't use the word jazz. It's Manfred Eicher's German label. Keith Jarrett, for example, has released dozens (100+, I imagine) of recordings on ECM.

[Mediterraneo10]

> It's Manfred Eicher's German label.

...which since the 1970s has had a huge amount of Norwegian and Swedish (and more) musicians recording for the label, and recording sessions are often held in Oslo or Lugano. German headquarters, but more than just a German label.

[_jx9a]

Keith Jarrett _can_ swing (super hard!) - but he doesn't always - so some of his work qualifies here.