[pfranz]

I feel like many people have strong opinions about Atlassian. They are also a Java shop--which is something people also have strong opinions about.

At a previous job they switched from a hodgepodge of systems and centralized onto Jira and Confluence and I have longed for it at the places I've worked since. I do realize the cost and maintenance (configuring and customizing it to get the most out of it) requires a lot of upfront attention. My most recent job uses them and although I haven't used either heavily yet, I find the gui way more confusing and feel like the pages are almost comically slow and heavy.

[azangru]

Regarding the Java shop: here's a video of an Atlassian employee giving a talk on rxjs and redux-observable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk2bVBZhmcc None are specifically Atlassian's products, but it feels like their frontend is pretty normal (I would even say, advanced) and is quite dissociated from whatever Java they may be using on the backend.

Also, they started rolling out a different (React-based) frontend for Jira several months ago. Can't say that particularly improved Jira's performance, but still... I am not sure viewing them as just a Java shop is fair anymore.

And they also seem to be using graphQL now.

[pfranz]

I may not have been clear, Java was only really relevant for hosting onsite. Other comments in this thread mention competitors using other server-side languages that can be served from a RaspberryPi. The only way it'd slow down the client is if your server was poorly tuned or underpowered. In my own experience, managing Java applications have their own set of skills.

The client side bloat I've noticed are both in visual clutter and performance using the Atlassian hosted version...so I doubt it's related to Java (outside of maybe scaling issues?). I don't doubt they have a modern front-end. It feels like one of those hip, new, modern, chunky sites that take too long to load and I try not to revisit. I don't mean to knock on React or modern frameworks, they have their uses and fill needs, but the end result often isn't a pleasant experience. The version I remember using years ago was a bit slower than most static sites, but almost seemed boring and corporate in use (which is a compliment for something you rely on for your job).