[FennNaten]

" As a recruiter I am far too busy to be bothered emailing people who provide only an email address as their primary mechanism of contact. 999/1000 resumes include a phone number."

I find this one especially funny, being constantly spammed by unsollicitated recruiters asking for a phone number to "discuss opportunities". My answer is usually "if you have a good offer, write down the specifics without hiding stuff and sent it by email. As a developper with a good full time job and a social life, I am far too busy to be bothered on the phone for no good reason."

I can't understand this belief that phone is faster and more convenient. Real-time interactions are disruptive, and if you don't agree on a timeframe (using async communication like email...), Most of the time the phone call will be made at a wrong time, causing frustration for everyone.

So, not giving a phone number before some fruitful written exchange is a great way to check if a recruiter care enough about efficiency and other people's time. If not, well, too bad.

[pandaman]

They don't do this for speed. IMHO, they do it to get the information they cannot (successfully or legally) request in writing: age, race, sex, salary, your enthusiasm about getting a new job etc. Sometimes they just want a sales call not dissimilar to your bank/cable provider/insurance/etc, which is always funny for me: one thing is to sell some cable package or an insurance policy for your pet, but do people really change their job because of what a stranger said on the phone?

[andrewstuart]

I, a recruiter, do it to see if you are suitable for a job.

Hey there its Andrew Stuart here, I have a job on at the moment that looks like it might be a fit for what you're doing, are you considering new jobs at the moment? No? OK thanks for taking the call.

I honestly cannot imagine what recruiter under any circumstances, has the time or motivation to call people up for any other reason.

The plain and simple reason that we don't use email to drive the recruiting process is that it's a stupid way to operate - no one gets back to you iof you send an email, whether or not they are in fact looking for work. If you need to get the job done you call people.

There's no sinister ulterior motivate. Sheesh.

""Hey there, filthy recruiter here. Heh heh heh. Tell me now....... what religion are you!!!!! Hmmmmm..... what sex are you!!!???? Ohhhh!!!! Well, I'll file that VERY useful piece of information away thanks you, glad you gave it up so easily.. Hee hee hee.""

Doesn't happen.

[pandaman]

Just like the GP, I routinely get e-mails asking to schedule a call with a recruiter. If these recruiters did not use e-mail like you, then neither of us would be getting these e-mails, right?

And, replying to your edit, most people can actually tell if they are speaking to a man or a woman and some can even detect accents so they don't need to ask (like they would have to if they were using text communication).

[FennNaten]

There are things mixed up here, and it's my fault for bringing two different things in the mix.

In the case of the advice given to OP to give their phone number because recruiters won't use their contact email, it's situational. If the resume is good enough and the position not easy to fill, the recruiter will use the email, because it would be unprofessional in these conditions to pass on a good applicant just because of lazyness.

If you work for a company where good applicants are legion and you can be that picky, well, considering the competition in the space, lucky you ^^'

Now, for the prospection case, I don't think the reason for trying to go for the phone call is data collection. Point is, emails get people to think. A developer considering changing jobs will read them, but only reply if the content is tempting enough: company clearly stated, guarantees that everything will be great (recruiting process, salary, advantages, work environment...) However let's face it, most jobs are average / low bar, and developers knowing their worth won't even consider them. So recruiters who aren't lucky enough to have dream jobs amongst there clients have two options: - refusing to work for companies with low standards, and specialize in giving only good positions. This is a risky long game, requires investment in assessing the companies, then building trust and reputation. - forget about it, and play the numbers game. This is the setting where phone calls are more "efficient": it's all commercial techniques, don't give away much, favor direct contact to force people to agree to things they wouldn't if they had all the data and thinking time. This produces more matchings, so more money for the recruiter. Downside: it allows companies with crappy practices to still get a share of the applicants' pool, especially if they can afford a big turnover anyway.

Note: of course you can consider that playing the numbers is what gives you food, so, too bad for the developers who wasted time in crappy recruitment processes or even crappy jobs because of that. And I'm not saying all the pairings are for crappy jobs anyway, you can also have average or underestimated ones that just don't stand out in the market.

My point here is mostly that no, using email isn't a stupid way to get the job done, it's efficient if what you have to offer is demonstrably good. If your job offers are unattractive though, that's when you need to use phone calls and persuasive techniques.

And that's the reason I refuse discussions made through phone or in person contact right at the beginning: it doesn't let me fact check and explore options, and I may be pushed to agree to a pointless interview just because of a good "salesman recruiter". It's a waste of time.

[andrewstuart]

It depends if you are looking for a job. If you are applying for jobs then you need to make yourself available by phone.

If you are trying to dodge calls from unsolicited recruiters then of course you don't want the recruiter to be calling you.... you want to deflect them with "send me an email with your opportunity and I'll think about it and call you back", which is to say "Go away".

[lykr0n]

I keep my number off my resume unless I am personally giving someone it (via email or in person). But, it depends on the circumstance.

[purplezooey]

yeah. Hate talking on the phone.