[digi_owl]

> In the future we will most likely have an distro-specific basic system build and container apps (snap, appimage, flatpak) build directly by upstream on non-server systems.

I sure hope not. A better system would be something like NIX/GUIX or even Gobolinux, that give us a single package as today, but with the option of installing multiple versions in parallel if upstream has screwed up the API (again).

Flatpak and like will just be and excuse for upsteam to bundle everything and the kitchen sink, resulting in bloat and having to update a mass of paks rather than individual libs in case a flaw is found.

[bartkmq]

You've got good points and I admit I'm split on this issue.

In theory i would rather have everything handled by the package manager but container apps provide a few useful advantages:

  - sandboxing/isolation out of the box
  - being able to report bugs directly to upstream
  - It's easier to distribute a small app to all distributions (for some value of all)*
  - much easier to distribute proprietary applications (subjective advantage)
  - much easier to install old versions of an application (sometimes needed)
  - it's possible to record the bandwidth/ram/cpu usage; with a standard package that's quiet difficult