[classwarsteve]

>All it does is force land lords to massively increase rent amounts

Ah yes, the landlords are forced to massively raise rents, unlike the tenants, who are allowed to choose whatever price they want.

Simple reliance on a profit model for housing is never going to adequately meet housing needs.

[AnimalMuppet]

> Simple reliance on a profit model for housing is never going to adequately meet housing needs.

Can you give something to justify that statement, something more than just a bare assertion? To me, it looks like reliance on something other than the profit motive (that is, rent control) is what's causing the problems here.

[classwarsteve]

A start would be the pervasiveness of homelessness throughout the history of the United States as contrasted with its abolition in the USSR and its dramatic return with post-soviet privatization.

[cjalmeida]

Likely because being homeless in USSR was a crime and motive to send one to a Gulag?

[classwarsteve]

At least in the USSR you were guaranteed housing as opposed to the United States where homelessness is largely criminalized while the homeless are offered little support and in fact regularly have their lives upended because they're considered an eyesore.

https://www.nlchp.org/documents/No_Safe_Place

[jules]

Why don't you start a communist commune? You can do that in a capitalist system. You can't set up a capitalist commune in a communist system because they'll put you in the gulag.

[classwarsteve]

Actually you should check out the long history of western capitalist supported right wing death squads that have been sent to break up communist governments.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5...

[AnimalMuppet]

And how does that answer jules' point? You sound like you're just looking for a chance to spew your talking points, rather than actually having a conversation with us.

[classwarsteve]

My point is that Jules is wrong that capitalists will permit you to set up a communist society. Perhaps you should revisit the cold war. In addition, a commune within a capitalist society would still be reliant on the labor of an external, exploited proletarian class. Communism is internationalist. Ultimately this is the failure of first world social democratic programs that provide decent gains for their working classes but do so at the expense of oppressed peoples in the global south.

Referring to them as talking points without refuting them sounds a whole lot like trying to dismiss the argument without dealing with the contents. Don't get upset and fall back on procedural obfuscation if you're trying to have a conversation with me.