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by guacamoleSoda 3095 days ago
Preface: I spend a lot of this response talking about a hypothetical high-status man and a low-status woman. This isn't to be sexist or perpetuate stereotypes; it's just to use a common example that we've all probably seen and witnessed.

Preface 2: this response was to someone else in this thread but it got pulled out to the top level for some reason.

The intention of the article was, probably, just to shed light on the fact that this sort of stuff happens. It might not even be accurate. But, for the sake of argument, let's assume that it is. The author wasn't suggesting solutions. Why is it interesting to Vanity Fair readers?

- It's about the glamorous lives of the 0.1%.

- It's about sex.

- It's about drugs.

- A lot of these men are socially oblivious, so it provides material to laugh at otherwise powerful people. Who, in their right minds, sees a co-worker at a bondage-event and tells others at their workplace? And who, in their right minds, brings it up with said co-worker?

- If what the article reports is true, the behaviour of some of the male participants could reasonably be interpreted as sexually predatory.

It's the last point that's a bit troublesome. I think a lot of the men involved don't realize their behaviour is shitty. They flash wealth and reputation and make drunken suggestions like, which I've personally witnessed, "Oh, you're interested in starting a company... I could totally put you in touch with my friend who runs a VC firm. He's always looking for new investments. Hey, let's get another drink. You're super interesting. Oh, it's closing time. Wanna head back to my place, it's only a couple blocks away, and we could continue this conversation?"

It's even worse if the dude talking has some sort of professional connection with the woman (e.g. introduction through co-worker or investor). It's not illegal but it's lousy. It's also reasonable for her to think that their might be some form of punishment for saying, 'no'. I think the lesson those sorts of guys could learn is that they're, at best, being manipulative and assholes. And the lesson targeted women can learn is that these guys probably aren't telling the truth and they should stick to mostly professional channels to get ahead (if that's their reason for engaging sexually with these men).

Guys, if sex is your goal, I suggest the old-fashioned method. This isn't targeted at you, OP, but just a rhetorical bit aimed at the hypothetical male described in the article:

- Work your way into a good job.

- Be polite.

- Be funny.

- Work out.

- Dress well.

- Be financially responsible.

- Have a drink or two, if that's your thing.

- Don't be too flashy and avoid mentions of wealth or powerful connections.

- Show genuine interest in the other party and her friends and family.

- Be forward but not obnoxious about your intentions before sex (e.g. looking for sex, looking for a relationship, etc...).

- Never lie.

- Never EVER make promises or suggestions that you can help her career until you're well into a relationship.

- If you genuinely believe in her and want to help her career, do so, but save any romantic or sexual advances until after you've helped and you can't renege what you've done. Be absolutely clear that she doesn't owe you anything.

EDIT:

- And never kiss and tell. It might win you a few bar-room points but it's frankly trashy and teenager-like behaviour. Romantic and sexual relationships involve two parties and are inherently intimate and you might be violating your partner's trust and reputation by divulging you've had sex or what the sex was like and so on. Even if your partner is okay with it, a lot of people don't find talking about your sexual conquests entertaining.

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The old-fashioned method you are suggesting requires much more effort than Silicon Valley parties that are currently being thrown. Changing who you are as a person is tough, and why do that when there are easier options. In places like SV and Seattle where there is an imbalance between men/women, you could follow these instructions perfectly but you would still be playing with bad odds.

There was recently an article about a prostitution ring busted in Seattle involving Amazon/Microsoft employees, which just shows these type of situations are inevitable in male-dominated industries, and wealth just exasperates the issue.

The old-fashioned method is one of those win-win situations, but if you're willing to let go of being morally correct, it certainly does not hold up against what is currently going on.

Unfortunately, I agree. I've had significantly more trouble dating in Silicon Valley than anywhere else I've lived. In fact, that's why I'm moving to NYC. Using dating apps as evidence:

On the east coast:

- I get 5x as many matches.

- Most of my matches respond to my openers.

- My matches are significantly higher quality.

- My matches suggest meeting up for dates.

- My matches compliment me.

- My matches never unmatch me.

The whole silicon valley gender skew seems like a bad situation for everyone involved. But I'm not sure what can be done about.

I suggested the old-fashioned method because it does no harm. My only issues with the orgies described in the article is there seems to be quite a bit of consent-through-manipulation.

NYC is probably the optimal case, since it's been known for years that it's one of the few places where there are more single women than single men. In some areas, many more single women. In other words, it skews the exact opposite way from SV.
There is a massive, massive asymmetry between men and women when it comes to sex or romance that exist even when you're not in an area with a skewed gender ratio.