[andrewingram]

It bothers me a bit that it feels intentionally dismissive of (or oblivious to) the current state-of-the-art of JavaScript frameworks.

None of the criticism mentioned feel like an honest reflection of my last two years working with React (4 years total). Universal rendering is mainstream, there are plenty of options for vastly simplifying initial setup and overall complexity (eg Next.js). From what I understand, similar is true of Vue and Ember.

I can genuinely see the value in tech like Stimulus and Pjax as a way of augmenting an existing traditionally-coded app without needing a total rewrite. But this document seems to be arguing for its place in the world of 2-3 years ago, rather than the present-day.

[andrewmcwatters]

> It bothers me a bit that it feels intentionally dismissive of (or oblivious to) the current state-of-the-art of JavaScript frameworks.

This is definitely not software for you then.

[andrewingram]

I don’t follow, most of the things it complains about aren’t current problems, they’re historical. The cutting-edgeness is irrelevant (and I suspect we mean different things by it anyway). The problem is that the document is arguing against an inaccurate caricature of other technologies

[meesterdude]

> Universal rendering is mainstream, there are plenty of options for vastly simplifying initial setup and overall complexity

> arguing for its place in the world of 2-3 years ago, rather than the present-day.

Basecamp pays particular focus to productivity, developer happiness, and staying small. It is through these tenants that they use tools and develop new ones. They are dismissive of frontend JS frameworks because they run counter to their tenants. They embrace the fact that with the web, there are a multitude of ways to deliver a webapp - there is no linear progress but simply an increase in options to suit needs.

[andrewingram]

I pick my stack based on the same principles. The reason why I was so excited about React, GraphQL etc was that I felt it was finally realistic for me to be able to work solo on my side projects.

[inimino]

"tenet" (principle), not "tenant" (occupant of a dwelling)