[mhd]

Well, to be honest, after spending quite some time as a Java developer I regard the whole JVM stack as a mixed bag. Yes, you get a lot of libraries as a package deal, but most of them are rather bloated, and do require quite elaborate wrappers. And you might end up with something "good enough" and then you'll carry around the baggage for a long time.

And I think the Scala and Clojure communities will probably do fine without me. Never mind that for work I still prefer them to unadulterated Java, it's just that when I have the choice and the design choices are wholly mine, well…