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by akvadrako 3092 days ago
That seems like an odd test. Of course everybody will score better on a concentration test while on medication for concentration.
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Maybe everyone will score better, although I don't believe so because the tests are trivial for people without ADHD.

In any case they certainly won't have anything like the kind of improvements people with ADHD has, improving from spectacularly bad to (usually) only slightly below normal.

It's a common mistake made by both professionals and laypeople that ADHD is a condition with only slight deficiencies in focus, when in reality they are often staggering.

Anecdotally, everyone with ADHD I've met understand the concept of things being so boring it becomes physically painful to do them. Everyone else think they heard me wrong.

For me the computerised test was almost impossible at the end, because my bored brain refused to even see the images on the screen. All I saw unless I blinked and tilted my head was a white, blank screen, only that it wasn't blank.

With methyl phenidate it was hard to understand it could have ever been hard, and that even though I still have significantly below average concentration even with medication.

I’ve long held the belief that ADHD is wildly over diagnosed (in the US, at least).

Your anecdote has helped solidify this belief. 8/10 Adderall users I know are able to concentrate and complete complex, intricate tasks without the pills. The pills just put them in jet-speed mode.

It sounds like you truly have ADHD and are benefitting from proper medication. I wish nothing but the best for you.

However, I also wish the doctors would remove their heads from their ass and attempt to find a better method of diagnosis.

During my friend’s 3rd year of study at University, he realized many of his classmates were taking Adderall. Not only that, but those students had less trouble completing the crushing work load on time. So, he visited the local pill dispensing psychiatrist and walked out with his very own prescription.

Now we’re here, several years later, and he’s convinced that he really does have ADHD because the doctor keeps renewing his prescription. He chooses to forget that he initially got the prescription by regurgitating bullet points out of the DSM.

This is just one example. I’ve seen it countless times.

Is it really just me that thinks having oodles of young adults taking amphetamines daily is OK? I just can’t seem to wrap my head around it.

Competition, till nothing is left of us. Makes me grateful every day, that brain implants are not yet here. Every day before that is a present, else we would have our heads chopped up on the altar of progress to become twitching, spasming prosthetic gods for the common good, until there was nothing left to ask why we did this to ourselves in the first place.
They want to measure the benefits of medication.
That’s missing the point. ADHD meds make everybody concentrate better, regardless of whether the person actually has ADHD.
And even that would give them a measure of the benefits. If it’s the same benefit that actual ADHD receives then it’s still a useful metric. If it’s less than the benefit when used for actual cases then, in aggregate, the benefits would be a low bar. Arguably that’s a better bias as it would make the benefits/costs decision more conservative. They’re taking the difference in measurements for each individual.
I think his point was that the test saturates at a normal person's level of concentration. So medicating normal people does not improve their score.
For ceteris paribus you need data on all variables for all observations. The more variety the better, too.
They compared the error rates of working+short time memory to values that non-adhd people score. My score was significantly lower than average at my first test and on my second test above average on medication.
It depends on where you set the bar. If you make it easy for 80% of the population to ace it, then the only people who will fail are the ones with serious deficiencies.