[kevin_thibedeau]

Parent is still in an inflated labor bubble. In most of the US outside of the major cities it can be a struggle for experienced engineers to break 80K. I had to walk away from a lot of hideously low priced opportunities when I lived in the mid-west.

[qaq]

In Ukraine it can not be inflated by definition as there is basically 0 vc money. The companies are profitable and are paying market rates.

[shrewduser]

isn't a lot of the outsourcing connected to western markets and that very VC money?

i think it's all connected you'll find.

[qaq]

I'd say very little of that work is for startups it's more for large financial companies, large established software companies, telecoms, hollywood etc.

[menacingly]

Even in my limited consulting experience, it's not uncommon at all for a sizable org to have a small team in Ukraine.

A couple of times, even though that team does not have an officially important role, you would see stalls on major decisions until the remote team had a chance to weigh in.

[friedButter]

> In most of the US outside of the major cities it can be a struggle for experienced engineers to break 80K

A senior dev can make 80k USD in India (before taxes) working for American, non IT services companies

[wyclif]

Why wouldn't you just work remote and solve that problem?

[cinquemb]

This is what I chose, but there are some tradeoffs: there was a biomedical engineering in Cincinnati, OH company who recruited me that I interviewed with that wanted to hire me (and I was very interested in the work seeing as it was stuff that I did but in another field), but they wanted me work onsite…

After a couple of more years working remote, I may just go work for another lab again because its not too hard to find very interesting work, but the pay sucks (for non-degreed folks).