[spyhi]

Same. I've generally been pretty bearish on IoT appliances since the usual features seem to be a) contrived, b) net inconveniences, and/or c) primarily of benefit to commercial entities rather than consumers (i.e. buy milk reminders). This, on the other hand, is something that's difficult to do without automation and is pretty beneficial to everyone involved--the more I think of it, the more I like it. Really hope as negative energy costs become more of a "problem" we see manufacturers start drifting towards this use case.

[chiefalchemist]

But can't we adobt some habits now? That is, for example, is electricity is cheaper in the evening only do wash after 7pm.

I understand that's not as easy as automatic. But manual also forces us to embrace "the din of awareness" such that green-thinking is who we are, and not something we "outsource" so we have more time and energy to consume.

[spyhi]

I think you may be conflating two ideas. You seem to be talking about green thinking, where most of the thread is talking about using automation to even out the grid when energy consumption is below minimum production levels, which may very well happen during the day and at unpredictable times in a solar-heavy grid. Sure, we can adopt green habits now (especially since negative prices are still a rare problem), but it doesn't actually address the discussion at hand.