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by vadimberman 3104 days ago
> C) Musicians - Mozart, Beethoven and Bach are still household names

Very recent ones. Name a composer from 1300s or 1100s.

> As for Scientists - how many can the average person name past 'Einstein'?

A lot. Everybody knows Aristotle, Plato, Archimedes, Freud, Newton, Galilei, Darwin, da Vinci, Pascal.

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Not really composers, but Walter von der Vogelweide, or a trobador like Betran de Born are somewhat famous.

At least they are one of the fews whose name and music have reached us after about a thousand years.

But your point stands, music travels the years pretty badly.

" Name a composer from 1300s or 1100s."

There were no composers then ...

Musical theory only developed during the renaissance and was basically formalized by the baroques i.e. Bach - and Moazart/Beethoven mastered it.

Music as we understand it really didn't exist before that. No real way to write it down, no way to create complex arrangements.

Italians thought of it, Germans formalized it and then mastered it. Nobody has pushed it much further since.

---> Scientists ...

Aristotle, Plato, Archimedes - not Scientists, but I get what you are saying - again I'd suggest that these are 'fundamentalists'. Founders of rational thought.

Newton = foundations of classical physics.

There are 1000x more Scientists alive today than ever before, and the only one we're going to remember is from 300 years ago? Point being - maybe there are no easy/major discoveries to be made so nobody will be remembered. Who will be remembered for CERN? Probably nobody.

> " Name a composer from 1300s or 1100s." > There were no composers then ...

Of course there were. There was music, so someone had to compose it.

But since the bulk of the mankind was struggling somewhere at the bottom of the Maslow hierarchy, nobody really cared about the nice sounds.

> Aristotle, Plato, Archimedes - not Scientists

Every encyclopaedia calls them scientists and, quite frankly, there is no reason to claim they aren't. Although Plato might be an exception.

> There are 1000x more Scientists alive today than ever before, and the only one we're going to remember is from 300 years ago?

The titular question is, who will be remembered in 1,000 years. I'm saying, those who have things named after them.

> Of course there were. There was music, so someone had to compose it.

Not really, especially not someone who is a "composer".

Yes, technically there were 'people who wrote music' but we wouldn't really call them composers, and we were not attributing anything to them.

And it wasn't a 'maslow' thing - it was that we had yet to develop proper instruments, scales, etc. etc.

FYI Music during about that time was mostly Gregorian chanting and what not - and for a time music was banned by the church, at other times it was only allowed to be made 'for God' type thing. Come to think of it there are I think some composers and attributions but minimal stuff. We don't 'remember them' because what they did was not remarkable like Beethoven.