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by lurr 3108 days ago
Except I can buy a stock expecting it to increase on the merits of what the company is doing.

I could have bought stock in Apple the day I saw an iPhone for the first time, and would have made money off it.

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bitcoin is not making an iphone, there are no fundamentals. But what you describe is still gambling.
Both Bitcoin and AAPL stock carry a risk of losing money due to unknowable future events.

Therefore aren't they both gambling? It seems to me that it's just the degree of risk that varies.

Bitcoin isn't growing in value because it represents shares of a business that makes real money: it's growing in value because demand is increasing. You can directly connect AAPL's profitability with the value of the phones and computers they produce. Bitcoin does not have such an analogue. The "asset" behind Bitcoin is one part the group of miners who consider to keep the ledger going, one part the ability to facilitate a trade using that shared ledger, and three parts speculation. It's the speculative component that makes it, and all other cryptocurrency, more gambling than investment.
> Bitcoin isn't growing in value because it represents shares of a business that makes real money.

With bitcoin, you’re investing in whomever the individual is on the other side of your trade. I hope some of these techies become rich enough to take government positions.

Why do the assets behind a company matter? In the event they go bankrupt and have a liquidation event, first their assets will go to loan-providers, then to bond-holders, then to private preferred stock holders, then finally if there are crumbs remaining, to public common stock holders.

>Bitcoin isn't growing in value because it represents shares of a business that makes real money

Neither is Tesla making real money. Or Amazon.

Yet their stock prices continue to grow from speculation about how valuable they might be one day in the future.

There's nothing inherently wrong with that. It's the same with crypto.

For sure those two companies are "safer" bets than most (or perhaps all) cryptos... but the underlying principle is exactly the same. It's just degree of risk involved.

Tesla is going up because investors want Tesla to be a thing.
Keeping fiat money carries a risk of losing money due to unknowable future events (zombie apocalypse?).

Is it gambling?

isn't the killer app for btc tax evasion and laundering? isn't this how wealthy chinese are getting money out of the country and how russians are routing around sanctions? is the rise in btc therefore perhaps related to paradise papers and banking coming under greater regulation globally? if this is the case, those use cases aren't going anywhere and maybe represent strong fundamentals
Holding USD is another form of gambling. Buying a house to live in is gambling.

The thing is that USD can be used to pay taxes in April, a house provides you shelter, a share of APPL entitles you to small fraction of the company... And a bitcoin entitles you to a mathematical number, with nothing backing it.