[CyrusL]

I don't agree with the stock split comparisons.

Bitcoin Cash is not something that existed inside Bitcoin and was then spun out. It's more like a new company was formed and it's cap table was initialized as a copy of another pre-existing company.

I think there just isn't any precedent for the concept of "forking" and how the internal revenue code applies to it.

[krrrh]

It’s not like a stock split, but it is like a spinoff. It’s easier to compare it to a company being split into equal parts with roughly similar functions than the spinning off of a smaller division. Conceptually more like the splitting up of Ma Bell, or of ALDI into ALDI Nord and ALDI Süd.

The only problem is that there is no entity that can issue a notice on how to assign the basis, which is how things are usually handled in equities. The price of BCH was all over the place immediately after the fork, though for a while the price of BTC+BCH was closer to the old price of BTC than BTC alone was, which is what you’d expect.

See this post for an example of a duplicated cap table in an equity market.

https://money.stackexchange.com/questions/23176/in-the-event...

[quickthrower2]

I see your point. This is something I can imagine lawyers arguing over and there is no right/wrong answer really.

The cap table is interesting though. One could say it starts off at $0 but that isn't really true as there is a 'good will' value due to the public knowledge of the fork and that the coin will be worth something.

[gamblor956]

Lawyers wouldn't be arguing over this. It's a well-settled point of tax law.

BCH received in the split would be treated as free money received (because Bitcoins are currency, not equity interest), so as cash income, and thus would be taxed like cash income.

[an_account]

But if there was a “good will” value then you would had to have paid taxes on the value at the time of aquiring the asset (when the fork happened). You can’t just be gifted something of substantial value and not pay taxes on it.

[quickthrower2]

Yes that would make sense.

It would be income tax then, right?

If the coin crashes to 0 a week later, then you'd still pay it too, in theory.

[an_account]

Yes, but I think you could write off the losses, so might equal out if it crashed to 0.

[bigtunacan]

The parent's observation is that it is initially taxed as income. If it crashes to zero that is a capital gains loss so it is a write off against capital gains, not against income. So you still would have to pay taxes even though you have no money.

The following are my observations from discussions with my accountant and reading some of the IRS tax codes and "guidance". Do NOT take this as tax advice

In general (within the US) the tax code is treating crypto both as property AND as income.

1) Someone pays you in crypto - income

2) If you mine crypto it is treated as income.

3) If you purchase crypto it is treated as property.

4) If you HOLD crypto it is treated as property.

To break down how this works in regards to taxes. If it is "income crypto" then you are liable for taxes on the value of the crypto at the "moment" you receive it.

1) For example, you received 1 token that is valued at $100 and your tax rate is 22% then you now owe $22 in income tax. If you hold that crypto and it goes to $0; you still owe $22 in income tax.

To further complicate this though, the loss from the $100 to $0 IS a capital loss. So what this means it you made an extra $100 in income, but then you lost $100 in capital losses which you write down against your income so now you are back to owe-ing $0 in income tax on that $100.

Now that may seem like a complicated way of saying you don't owe anything, but the catch is you can only write down $3000 a year of capital losses against your income. You can carry those losses over each year until it is wholly accounted for, but in the meantime, you could end up holding the bag and oweing a lot of money to the IRS.

2) If instead, you purchase 1 token that is valued at $100 and you hold it and it goes to $200 and then sell; you now owe capital gains taxes. If you held for less than 1 year then the $100 gain is classified as capital gains, but taxed like income. If you hold it for more than 1 year it is taxed at the capital gains rates.