[atonse]

I love how he handwaves the difference between Xeon and non-Xeon, and ECC vs non-ECC memory. That and 4K vs 5k accounts for most of the price.

Why not do an apples to apples comparison?

This happens way too often with people who decide that Mac Pro hardware is overpriced.

[rhinoceraptor]

Yep, you can obviously beat workstation/server grade hardware by building a gaming PC. The (i)Mac Pro is not a gaming PC. And if you're already spending multiple thousands for a production workstation, it seems ridiculous to not get an official machine with a warranty and support.

[stirlo]

Yeah I was surprised, Only 1.5K cheaper when the iHac is missing ECC, Xeon, 5K and Thunderbolt 3. Considering Apple likes to make 30-40% margins the Mac Pro seems not unreasonably priced at all

[TheDong]

I think it was also very misleading to say, under memory, "you might want to upgrade to ECC if..." without mentioning that the cpu doesn't support ECC memory, so you'd need to get a better cpu + mobo too.

[strictnein]

You have $1500 in head room if that matters to you, but the point is that you have that choice if it does.

[rubatuga]

What do you mean? You've always had a choice whether or not to buy an iMac Pro, so if you did need the features of an iMac Pro (incl.. 5K screen, motherboard, ecc memory, 10gbit ethernet, more cores) you could just get it. It's not like Apple is preventing you from building a PC just because they released the iMac.

[jjeaff]

Except for most (probably all) uses of an iMac pro "need" ECC memory about as much as they "need" the apple logo the back of the computer. No workstation needs ECC. At least, few enough would benefit from ECC that a comparable system shouldn't need to include it.

[dkuntz2]

You have that choice with the iMac too, you just get the regular iMac instead of the iMac Pro.

[strictnein]

And then have a significantly less capable machine. The performance gap between an iMac and an iMac Pro will be large. The performance gap between this iHac and the iMac Pro will be nonexistent, even without the Xeon processor.

[rubatuga]

Also completely ignores the all-in-one design of the iMac Pro.

[andy_ppp]

Well to be fair he states his preference for expandability. I personally prefer the sleekness, the lack of investment in building it, the warranty, the 5k screen, the ECC, the testing of everything done at the factory, the perfect match of OS and hardware as well as the time I saved by not having to figure out all those weird issues. Makes me actually think the new iMac Pro (at least the base model) is pretty reasonable.

[jjeaff]

Why do you prefer ecc? I can't think of any uses for it in a Mac that isn't a server.

[strictnein]

Which is a negative for many people, not a positive.

[jjeaff]

That's because the actual difference in ECC and Xeon from alternatives are pretty much just a handwave anyway. So it seems acceptable that the alternative not have them, just as acceptable that the alternative also not have an apple logo.

[paddlepop]

It feels pretty hard to argue that Apple products aren't overpriced when they are the most profitable company in the world by a wide margin. Sure they excel in supply and pipeline but its not like those cuts are making it to the consumer.