[mr_spothawk]

well.. Stalinism is a subset of Socialism, i guess. [1]

and i don't know anything but lame propaganda, so i'm left to ask wikipedia about the starvation pieces too:

> Some scholars believe that the famine was planned by Joseph Stalin to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement. [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

[abiox]

to be clear, i wasn't suggesting that starving ukraine was fake or propaganda. my point is about how such an event is used in propaganda.

dictatorship is dictatorship, regardless of any claims to social or economic organization.