[s73ver_]

Neither one of those is a true solution. For one, we currently do not live in a climate where competition is happening. Every NN supporter would love for that to happen, but for now it's not. Second, not every place can support competing ISPs. Do the people who live in the inner city or out in rural areas not deserve a neutral net?

[walshemj]

Local loop unbundling as in the UK does.

[kelnos]

We tried that in the US. The incumbents did weaselly things to make life difficult for the CLECs, and eventually lobbied Congress to remove the requirement.

[walshemj]

That's because your regulatory bodies are useless and given that Ofcom in the UK is Murdochs poodle - the FCC is realy useless

[kelnos]

Perhaps that's true, but acknowledging that doesn't fix the problem at hand.

[simplify]

Can you explain?

[walshemj]

In the UK any ISP can use the last mile typically BT/GPO plant. For example we use BT for POT and Demon for ADSL.

You have a lot of choice in your ISP in the uk

[tialaramex]

LLU is essentially irrelevant today, it's fascinating that people keep bringing this up.

LLU happens at the exchange where the local loop edge is. But today's users want speeds which aren't practical over the long local loop. So the fibre was pushed out to street cabinets, FTTC, which are much closer to the end user and too small and numerous for LLU to work.

This makes good technical/engineering sense but it means there is no real competition. What the UK did about that is heavy regulation. The regulator decides how much can be charged to deliver the FTTC service from a consumer to a POP owned by an ISP as a wholesale price.

[walshemj]

But most Subs don't want to pay the premium for FTC a lot of the high profile whining is from business's who think consumer BB is appropriate fr a business and want residential customers like pensioners and /or bt share holders to subsidize them.

when I helped sort out our BB for an office move in Farringdon (London) there is a lot of whining about BB but we manged to get a 70Mbs ELM in less than 2 weeks and 100Mbs in a quoted 3 months actually delivered less than 2