[ghostbrainalpha]

>- Perl/PHP/Bash: Learn to cry bitter, sorrowful tears.

This is a common misconception. PHP tears are actually almost sweet and not bitter at all. The only saltiness comes from hearing the opinions of other programmers talk about your primary language.

[jjjensen90]

I've written large, important things in C++, Kotlin, Scala, Java, Go, Javascript, PHP, etc... PHP in 2017 is great. PHP 7 is nice to use. Laravel is one of the best frameworks I've used. We have applications making millions of dollars a year running on a couple containers running Laravel 5 at my current job.

It's not a perfect language, but none are. I think some people are just jealous of how little setup/barrier to entry there is for PHP ;)

[vile]

nobody is making fun of PHP out of jealousy

[cutler]

Genuinely interested - which app is making millions a year on Laravel?

[stevenwoo]

It sounds like Pornhub is using PHP without a framework from this job posting or maybe they are just open minded.

https://www.reddit.com/r/forhire/comments/47fvmk/hiring_mont...

[jjjensen90]

Publishing and ad management at a large publisher/adtech company

[kod]

Yeah, no, not when your primary language still can't get lexical scope right, or distinguish between arrays and hashtables.

[Will_Parker]

The lack of distinction between array vs hashtable isn't a big deal. Array as a map from integers to items works fine in practice. Even speaking of algorithm performance, it's fine for the uses you have on a web server. (Any other use of PHP is clearly insane. :) )

You speak like someone who hasn't worked much in PHP. When you do, a lot of quirks and flaws really bother you and slow down during everyday tasks, but the ones you mentioned aren't they.

[mcny]

> a lot of quirks and flaws really bother you and slow down during everyday tasks

Would you mind sharing a few that bother you? q

[Aeolun]

The fact that `false` isn't always false. Or that '0' or 0 or null are all 'false'.

There's a bunch more quirks in Zend Framework that I use every day that are much worse than all the rest of PHP though.

[mark-r]

It occurred to me not long ago that hash tables are a general solution to indexing, and arrays are simply an optimization that you can apply when the proper constraints are in place. I'm happy to discover that it wasn't an original thought.

[nedt]

You can always use SPL for more strict datastructures (since 5.3): https://secure.php.net/manual/en/class.splfixedarray.php

[charred_toast]

PHP was my first bike, so to speak, so I can't knock it. Plus later I learned Slack was written in PHP, and I was like, whoa! I definitely think it gets a bad rap, mainly because it's almost too easy to use, correctly and incorrectly.

[charred_toast]

Cam someone explain why this comment was down-voted?

[teh_klev]

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

[Cofike]

I worked with a guy who uses PHP in 2017 and we never let him forget it.

[cubano]

It's probably so easy for him to forget because he is so busy shipping working apps...