[jschwartzi]

Yeah, it's not about being unwilling to occasionally work overtime. The thing 9-to-5'ers are railing against is that overtime is being taken for granted. It's that projects are planned with unrealistic deadlines assuming we'll burn our lives away meeting them.

[deepGem]

But don't the managers take the required estimates from engineers and plan accordingly ? Unless there is a strong deadline set by the market or by the customers.

[ManlyBread]

They also can say that the estimate is unreasonable and demand to cut the hours because they're the ones who get a final say.