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by yborg 3114 days ago
The problem with Stirling engines is they have moving parts. It's highly unlikely a Stirling cycle generator on the Voyagers would have operated for 40+ years as their RTGs have.
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The 40+ years the Voyager probes have stuck around for is impressive... but the actual primary mission duration was about 12 years (for Voyager 2), and that was with two (planned but not guaranteed) extensions for Uranus and Neptune.

The RTGs on both probes have decayed A fair amount at this point and are producing a lot less power.

10 years may seem short, but combined with an electrically powered thruster there is potential for doing types of missions we have not really been able to do before. That 10 years could be spent doing propulsion.

If you want to use it more in the science phase, use chemical rockets to get up to speed and then boot up the reactor in time to say, decelerate into orbit and you are looking at having the majority of that 10 years used at the destination.

My main concern isn't really the duration, but the reliability of the moving parts. But without plutonium, there are not a whole lot of other options for powering missions to Uranus and Neptune.

If you want to use the RTG to power thrusters, then I'd think that doing the "detour" via a stirling engine to create electrical current to turn into thrust might be unnecessary.

There must be some way to directly turn radioactivity (or heat) into thrust with sufficiently high exhaust velocity!?

Let me introduce you to the NERVA rocket. Nuclear thermal propulsion exists, but it's a real pain to make work and they had to search for coatings that could stand the heat and fuel.
Yup, I wonder how they can guarantee the engine will keep turning for 10 years even. Maybe if everything is sealed in a (very long) lived lubricant that stands the harshness of space?

Still hard to imagine

Stirling engines have a pair of seals that are extremely hard to make durable, and to my knowledge only Whisper Systems has cracked this problem to the point where you won't lose working gas (or seals) in a timespan much shorter than those 10 years. It's a stupidly hard engineering issue, without it there likely would have been far more adoption of the Stirling cycle for production machinery.
That's the usual way things are done. If you buy for instance a simple 5:1 gearbox for industrial use, it will quite likely be a sealed casing 'greased for life'.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you really - mechanical devices have high failure rates. 10 years maintenance-free is a bit of a dream. As a mechanical engineer I'm interested to see whether the Stirling engines involved have radically different scaling to optimise for reliability, or NASA just plan to do the engineering really well.

Of course manned maintenance may be possible - they are touting this technology for Mars bases. Plus robotic maintenance is going to become more of a thing over time.

There is a Stirling engine design which only has a piston as the single moving part, called a "lamina flow Stirling engine".

Note that while implementations usually show a crank and rod with a flywheel, it could just as easily use a magnet and coil to generate electricity.

That get's you down to a single part.

Then you have this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoacoustic_heat_engine

...that gets you down to something that can generate sound from a heat differential, and you could couple that sound to some kind of transducer to generate electricity. Still a moving part, though.

You probably can't get zero moving parts and yet have it do useful work, but you can get really close I think.

There's some work being done in superfluid discovery which would create the sort of conditions you're looking for but physics discoveries move incredibly slowly and some of the materials are rare or difficult to create. However, that sort of "lubricate, seal, and forget" kinetic system is essential for a lot of surface work in space. Increasingly important on Earth as well.

As a heuristic, the less mechanical parts in any system, the more efficient it is over time.

Ideally, everything that's built is engineered like a spacecraft, because to some extent it is, and is onboard one.

Sounds like there is some redundancy. These are intended for manned missions so occasionally replacing parts might be part of maintenance.
Another very interesting solution to the problem:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optoelectric_nuclear_battery

Its major, still undressed downsides are the requirement of expensive beta emitters, and synthetic diamond PV cells (everything else will die to beta particles)

Here is a compromise solution I talked before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkali-metal_thermal_to_electr...

You get around 15 years of useful work and 15% efficiency with current day technology.

It has no moving parts as RTG, has better power to weight than RTG, and has efficiency comparable to simple Stirling

The tape recorders still work.
DTR operations were terminated on Voyager 2 in 2007, and Voyager 1 in 2015, but I don't know if this was related to mechanical problems with the tape recorders or just due to the lack of need given the data collected by the remaining instruments.