[pohl]

The opposing side is currently employing a constant deluge of propaganda to push their side of the debate. Insisting that we educate all of humanity in enough science to sway them would be bringing the proverbial knife to a gunfight.

[jackhack]

Yet the pro-global-warming side has been caught falsifying data on any number of occasions -- from "tweaking" a century-long trend via a correction curve to a recently publicized outright falsification of data in order to "proove" that sea levels increasing.

This muddies the water and gives me great doubt to the veracity of the overall claim. If man-caused global warming were happening, the data would show it. Why fake the data?

Perhaps because data proving anthropomorphic climate change does not exist and it must be manufactured? But it has become a near religious issue and dissent is not tolerated. Daring to ask for proof is a thoughtcrime.

[cannonedhamster]

...sigh...

They corrected a known design flaw in the temperature recorder. This isn't freaking tweaking, it's properly accounting for external variables. The fact that you bring this up shows once again that depth of knowledge and experience in one field does not automatically translate to another field. I'm going to break it down in a way I'm pretty sure you'll understand. Back when the browser wars were going on web pages would have to "tweak" their code so that a page would display properly. Just because someone had to write a bit of code because because of a flaw in the browser didn't mean that the data from the website was a lie.

The thing with the seal level rise? Is this that old Morner chestnut that's been thoroughly debunked numerous times and has been around since the early aughts? The guy was found himself to be falsifying data but every few years someone trots this out as new and it's just not. I mean it's a pretty straightforward well known phenomenon that adding more water to a body of water will make it rise and since we are losing land ice we're adding more water to the ocean. You can easily replicate this by putting an ice cube in a glass of water.

There's mountains of proof of human caused global warming and really it's basic science, but none of that matters because if you choose not to believe the proof there is nothing anyone can say to you to make you believe otherwise. No one can make you stop believing hucksters and conspiracy theorists. You can dissent all you want, but it doesn't make you right.

[jackhack]

Nope. This is yet another story, which broke last week: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/06/tidalgate...

"The whistle was blown by two Australian scientists Dr. Albert Parker and Dr. Clifford Ollier in a paper for Earth Systems and Environment."

It's another example in a long line of data "adjustments" that turn science on its head, showing the opposite of what is actually observed. I call it fakery. You have other words. We disagree.

As I said, it muddies the waters. There may be real evidence, but this fraud doesn't help the cause.

[pohl]

I wonder, is this the same Albert Parker who went out of their way to hide acceleration of sea-level rise [1] and the same Cliff Ollier that "is a member of...a climate change denial organization consisting of mostly retired engineers and scientists from the mining, manufacturing and construction industries" [2]?

[1] https://quantpalaeo.wordpress.com/2016/03/20/albert-parker-h...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Ollier

[RickJWag]

Yes, exactly. Faking data (and making emotional appeals like this one) make me doubt the argument. Or at least the motives of the people behind the argument.