[aplummer]

This would exclude so many smart kids from college. People who work a ton of jobs but support disabled family members for example.

> “it seems any way you cut it people are going to get thrown under the bus.”

Incorrect, every other western country at least has a pretty workable system.

[ReinholdNiebuhr]

"people are going to get thrown under the bus", can include rich being over taxed to pay for free college for the masses. My statement was meant to be broad in that someone is going to get screwed, rich or poor.

[Fomite]

The thing is the magnitudes are different. Calling them both "getting thrown under the bus" suggests they're equivalent.

The rich (myself included in that statement) are doing just fine, and could shoulder a little more without major setbacks. The poor are already dealing with a system that is bringing social mobility to a halt.

[ReinholdNiebuhr]

Future is iffy to predict, one could include overbudernsome regulations and heavier than expected taxes. Sort of depends on which way the politics shifts. Generally the pendulum ends up in the center after swinging left to right etc. So who knows what'll be like in 2030-2040. Getting thrown under the bus is simplistic term sure, however if I recall if half the population wants more and more, and the population that is sought after to pay for it is the rich, the burden will continue to grow. Thus we get into the same debate that is all over the net and media these days of paying fair share etc.

I was poor, now I'm above average. I would say maybe upper middle class now due to my business ventures, but before school which I paid for out of pocket through jobs I worked + having to pay for life's other nonsense things, so I'm not totally sympathetic to others in the same situation. By poor, I mean I was living in a house I bought for cheap as it was a foreclosure in a poor neighborhood, working two full time jobs and going to school part time/half time (9 credits per semester). Had to pay for my own health insurance, car insurance (1988 beretta's aren't the most reliable of transportations), plus two children, one with medical conditions. So to me idk, like I said I don't have much sympathy and think plenty should be able to adapt.