[tim333]

I'd be interested in that. Obviously a lot of ordinary people voted for it but there was a lot of prodding from the Express, Daily Mail and Murdoch's papers, plus Russia. Russia's easy to figure - they wanted to disunite the EU so it's less able to oppose them. Not sure about the newspaper owners.

[Boothroid]

The EU is doing a pretty good job of disuniting itself without help from outside what with eurozone woes and consequent blight of mass youth unemployment in many countries, unilateral adoption of mass immigration by Germany, interference in sovereignty of Hungary, Poland, etc.

[gambiting]

>>unilateral adoption of mass immigration by Germany

If you actually followed what happened, there was a vote on accepting the immigration numbers and every member state of EU accepted them. I don't know what you're reading, but Germany didn't "unilateraly" accept anything here.

>>interference in sovereignty of Hungary, Poland

You mean, pointing out to Poland that it's slipping into far-right fascist state and that maybe this is not acceptable for a EU member state?

[Boothroid]

You are seriously claiming that Merkel did not play THE key role in setting immigration policy across the EU? That seems to go against what most reasonable sources conclude.

As regards Poland I think perhaps you are believing what you see in the MSM rather than taking things with the pinch of salt they deserve. Putting the MSM to one side there are plenty of commentators that consider recent EU actions towards Poland as an unprecedented interference with sovereignty. Also you are verging on Godwin's law with this assertion: 'slipping into far-right fascist state'. Have you actually looked at photos of the recent march? Protestors had anti-communist AND anti-nazi flags.

[gambiting]

You are playing with words now. First you say "unilateral adoption of mass migration by Germany" and then you say that Merkel had a key role in setting the policy. These two are not the same.

As for Poland - And why do you think protesters had those flags? Maybe because current government is enacting policies that are reminiscent of the fascist ones? You can see it in education, in foreign policy, in how the local governments are managed - the ruling party wants to keep everything in hand and labels anyone who is against them as unpatriotic and "not a true Pole". Macierewicz is telling young people to "fight the external, and internal enemy that is already here" - that's not what I want to see in my country. If EU stops that from happening - more power to them.

[Boothroid]

No, you are the one playing semantics. The consensus is that Merkel forced mass immigration on the rest of the EU. Look how well that went down in recent elections in Germany - she barely escaped and only after an unprecedented intervention by the president.

Personally I'm on the side of Poland in resisting the globalism-at-all-costs push. One could just as easily describe the 'accept mass immigration and fuck your population's feelings' attitude of the EU as a form of fascism.