[KozmoNau7]

Have you got any sources to back up your claims of deleterious effects on human health? Any at all? I will remind you that the claims of phytoestrogen interfering with human reproductive ability have not been proven, despite rigerous study.

[nowherecat]

No, nothing other than my personal experience (and of my partner) while eating a vegetarian and later exclusively vegan diet for almost 2 years. We ate a lot of fake foods, highly processed "health foods", most of them soy based and looking back at that time I can't say that we felt very good and healthy.

I believe we, as humans, do best with foods, which ingredients we can pronounce and source ourselves and put together without a lab and complicated checmical processes.

If you are ok with consuming foods of questionable "nature" because nobody could yet prove to you that they can be bad for human health, go for it. But I am going with my guts here, because that works for me.

[KozmoNau7]

That is probably more a case of bad nutritional choices, and not the fault of the soy products themselves. Most highly processed "health foods" are anything but. They're usually loaded with sugar.

Instead of trying to replicate an omnivorous diet by substituting all the meat you ate with substitutes, you should try branching out into an actual primarily vegetarian diet instead. Instead of substitute beef in your hamburger, try a portobello mushroom instead.

You sound like one of those paranoiacs who rail on about "chemicals in food!", without actually knowing what you're talking about.

[nowherecat]

I can assure you that the highly processed health foods I ate back then, were not loaded with sugar, because I consciously tried to eat as little sugar as necessary.

You are quick to judge, calling me a "paranoiac" that doesn not know what he's talking about, based on a handful of sentences I wrote. I studied nutrition and I have experienced my body on many different diets. What I can say for myself, is that there is one important factor, that matters way more than the food taken in.

> Instead of trying to replicate an omnivorous diet by substituting all the meat you ate with substitutes, you should try branching out into an actual primarily vegetarian diet instead. Instead of substitute beef in your hamburger, try a portobello mushroom instead.

Ehm. So you are writing this as a response to me saying, that replicating an omnivorous diet with some secret mixture which resembles real meat so closely that it is difficult to distinguish from it, might be a bad idea? Maybe should have told me 10 years ago when it mattered and not after I just said the same thing.