[literallycancer]

You are missing the point of unions. They aren't here for software engineers making couple hundred grand a year. They are here so that we don't have people losing limbs at work because the company was too cheap to do safety properly.

You aren't interested in the service, fine. But I'm not sure why you feel like you need to cry about unions when you aren't their target group anyway?

[stale2002]

> You aren't interested in the service, fine.

Not if unions get a foothold in my industry, then it won't be "fine". If that happens then they will be able to implement rules and regulations that force me to join them.

And yes, there ARE movements to get the tech industry unionized (they aren't very popular, Fortunately).

No thanks. I'm a not going to let my industry be ruined like that. I'd rather stop all of that in its tracks by making unions powerless nation wide.

They can't enter my industry and force me to join if they are powerless EVERYWHERE.

Also, if it is seriously "fine" for people who don't want their "services", then how about we implement right to work laws everywhere?

Shouldn't it be "fine" for everyone to not join them if they don't want to?

Fortunately for me, though, unions are continueing to become less powerful. So fortunately, less and less of them will be able to force people to join in the future.

[Daishiman]

You have zero awareness of class struggles or how much of a chump you're being to the owner o capital. And I don't even have a pinch of Marxism in me.

[stale2002]

I find it insulting that there are groups out there that demand my aligence, and assert that they are the ones fighting for my own interest.

I can fight for my self better on my own, thank you very much. I do not want an organization, forcing me to join them and forcing me to agree with their opinions "for my own good", because I don't know any better.

I will negotiate, and fight the capitalist class, using the ways that I feel are best, and not through a coercive organization that is only looking out for themselves.

If unions were so great, then they wouldn't need to make everyone join them. They would stand on their own merits. I do not want their "benefits".

And because unions refuse to be voluntary, my only option is supporting the anti-union movements that make them powerless nationwide. They can't force me to join if they are universally powerless.

[Daishiman]

> I can fight for my self better on my own, thank you very much.

Bullshit you can't. You're at best a gnat against the owners of companies valued at hundreds of millions of dollars.

[stale2002]

Well you, and the pro union people can fight it their way, and I'll fight it mine.

Unfortunately for the pro-union crowd, though, they have forced me to be positioned against them, because they cannot give up on their dumb idea of trying to force everyone who disagrees to join them.

This strategy backfires massively, as the only option it leaves me is to try and make them as powerless as possible because if they are crippled nation wide then they can't force me to join under threat of being fired.

I'd love it if both sides could coexist. But until universal right to work laws exist, that protect workers from being require to join or pay dues, we'll there can be no compromise.