[djmetzle]

I have a proposition: You know how Tor works? Onion routing? Send traffic encrypted multiple times through a list of nodes before exiting at an edge?

What if everyone sent their traffic back and forth to eachother. One hop, encrypted, and then forwarded. Just like Tor, but a single hop. Not anonymized, just peer-to-peer distributed.

If everyone did that (build it into browsers) the internet would function _full-mesh_. I mean, that's how IP works, right? Full mesh, peer-to-peer?

Hey ISPs! Good luck filtering on the entire internet.

[dest]

I guess they would put all P2P traffic on the low priority lane. Some part of the people would try the fast lane, because the slow one is too slow and they do not care enough about NN. In the end the P2P people would lose.

[curtisblaine]

And that's precisely why Europe will be affected too. I'm thinking of distributed systems, like ipfs or tor, that would be impacted as a whole by slow p2p traffic.

[djmetzle]

Yep. It's a shame that everyone just wants to binge netflix and facebook. The _rest_ of the internet is inherently peer-to-peer.

[awalton]

It's really, really easy for ISPs to just start making peer-to-peer connections of any kind slower than molasses while making white listed IPs from people who've paid the "High Speed Lane" tax travel at normal speeds.

That kills your "Hey use a VPN/Tor/Other-Alternative-Routing-Mechanism" ideas dead.

If you could manage to tunnel traffic through [Huge Internet Company], like if they started offering a VPN service, then maybe... but there's not a lot of incentive for any of them to host such a service. It'd almost be cheaper for them to build their own, second Internet altogether at that point - something I'm sure Google is kicking themselves over on the Google Fiber scaleback.

[wav-part]

I was just posting this.

Its also low latency routing as tor router routes only for directly connected nodes where as internet router routes for all nodes. After certain network size, internet router will become too inefficient.