[FussyZeus]

I'm honestly tired of hearing this (don't take it personally, I just read it a lot) argument that "Well what if we ban Fox News? Where does it stop?

It stops where we bloody well want it to. Fox News is not the only news org that puts out crap content on the regular, they're just one of the bigger ones. CNN has a similar problem in the other direction, both doing the same basic tactic; taking and leaving facts and figures that don't suit what they want to say.

The vast majority of news networks yes, have a bias, but also report more or less the facts with more or less a complete picture. There are only a few news orgs out there that report just plain, outright, easily disproven bullshit and at the front of them is Fox News, that, in perhaps an honest attempt to counter the bias of most mainstream media, -or- in a cynical cash grab picked up and stoked the fears of white middle America, choose the narrative you prefer. Outside of that, most are relatively fine.

And yes, get Fox News the hell off Google. I'm all for it. Let's get rid of CNN too for the same reasons, and make news agencies compete for ranking based on who gets the story RIGHT, not who gets it FIRST.

[em3rgent0rdr]

> "It stops where we bloody well want it to."

Who is "we"? How exactly does "we" determine where it stops?

[blux]

Who decides what the right story is? Right and wrong should be decided in public debate. Not be some private or governmental entity deciding for us what is right and wrong.

[FussyZeus]

Facts are not up for debate. For way too long we’ve allowed idiots to argue facts with opinions. Your opinions are less valuable than facts. So are mine. We need to be dealing in reality, everything else is noise.

[goialoq]

How do we now which facts are true and which are fake?

[bostik]

Fact checking.

You know - that tedious, slow, boring, and often costly activity which proper journalists are supposed to undertake before publication.

[cannonedhamster]

If fact checking were a thing CNN wouldn't have been used as an example of "left-leaning" media. CNN is fairly mainstream, which isn't to say their reporting lately isn't garbage.

The reputable polar opposites are Fox News and MSNBC with everyone else somewhere in the middle. You can legitimately tell that someone listens to conservative media if they consider CNN left wing.

This is the general problem. You've got good, honest people who already have biases and the echo chamber is so loud if you're not vociferously fighting side X you're obviously side Y.

I highly agree that most news nowadays has become clickbait focused in an effort to both drive revenue and stir up loyalty by making people pick sides.

https://beerbrarian.blogspot.com/2016/12/librarians-in-age-o...

[FussyZeus]

> If fact checking were a thing CNN wouldn't have been used as an example of "left-leaning" media. CNN is fairly mainstream, which isn't to say their reporting lately isn't garbage.

CNN is left leaning but that is not the source of my gripe with them. I don't like the "hair is on fire" 24/7 style reporting they do, and I find that their quality work gets lost in a mess of exactly that kind of "everything is fucked and we're all going to die" style of reporting.

There are plenty of what people would call left leaning orgs out there that do excellent work. CNN is not among them IMHO.