[DiThi]

I wouldn't say it's "simple" and "without framework". It comes with jQuery, bootstrap, popper.js, and for some reason it has a lot of dependencies including "express" which is only for servers.

[Klathmon]

Express (and probably others) are for the build system. It's used to serve the development mode application locally during development.

That's (part of the reason) why they are installed under devDependencies.

[DiThi]

I see, it has a "dev-server.js". Why is that not a package? We have super simple functionality like "left pad" but not complex dev servers as a package? What if it breaks? Do I need to update the template?

[sciolistse]

There are dev server packages for webpack (https://webpack.github.io/docs/webpack-dev-server.html). I can't tell you why it's not used in this specific project.

[andrew_]

It should be noted that those are the "old and busted" docs. https://webpack.js.org/configuration/dev-server/#devserver is the place to visit these days.

[sciolistse]

my bad, i make that mistake all the time. doesn't help that searching for webpack documentation always turns up the bad results first!

Thanks for the correction.

[Klathmon]

If you use Google, there are plugins which can hide certain domains from search results.

I use to hide the old docs domain.

[andrew_]

I can promise you that decommissioning that old site is on our radar

[Klathmon]

They do have packages for that, several, but they all don't work in all cases.

Some tend to be fairly custom, so they do it themselves. Ours for example serves several apps in the same repo, with both HTTPS and HTTP, including some hot reload middleware and integration with our CDN for some live assets in development.

As for "why we have left-pad but not this", anyone can make a package. If you want to make a `uselessjs` package that does literally nothing, you can.

[TAForObvReasons]

For those not familiar with NPM or package.json specs, the "devDependencies" are generally intended for development only and are not included when you do a standard `npm install` or add it as a dependency of your own project. This starter actually has 5 dependencies: bootstrap, jquery, lodash, object.observe, and popper.js

[jessaustin]

At the very least, one might say that those dependencies lock one into a quite particular style of coding... not a "framework" but not far from one.

[SinanMtl]

Like I said in README. Bootstrap and depended javascript frameworks like jquery. Also, express.js is using to only development process. You can see dependencies in project.json. I meant "without frameworks" Vue, Angular and React-like frameworks.