[qznc]

I hear people praise the Java ecosystem so often, but when I use it I cannot replicate that.

There is nothing like Django in Java land? Instead you are sent into a confusing mess of interface standards like JPA and implementations (hibernate, ebeans, ...) and little guidance how to choose.

[peoplewindow]

Equivalent of Django would be something like Spring Boot, Play Framework etc.

It's quite common that some of these frameworks rely on community infrastructure that has several competing implementations, like JPA, but the point of a tool like Boot is that they picked all the implementations for you and documented it all centrally.

[qznc]

We tried Play. It is not close to Django. At least with Java. It might be better if you use Scala.

For example, one thing which seems to be worse across the board is database evolutions. Django will autogenerate an evolution in Python for you [0] and if necessary you can adapt the code. In Java land you have to write SQL by hand [1] afaik? If SQL is not enough, I don't know what to do at all.

[0] https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.11/topics/migrations/ [1] https://www.playframework.com/documentation/2.6.x/Evolutions...

[peoplewindow]

Hibernate can do automatic migrations, but I think most complex deployments prefer to take direct control of the process.