[knowThySelfx]

Is it bad to write without all these JS tools? We just use Visual Studio and include the standalone Vue.js file. We write plain css (no sass etc) and js with some occasional JQuery. We don't use Nodejs and its build tools (Kinda don't like the complexity all those tools bring. You are more worried about the tooling than the actual problem at hand). We use Ajaxmin and Httpcombiner. That's it for Frontend.

Vuejs is great. Found it to be easy and simple to understand. Big thumbs up for Evan You.

[shados]

It's not bad at all. You just have different requirements. I prefer React, but if the apps I was working on came to change in requirements, I'd be very happy to have Vue as an option. I don't think having 16 different major frameworks that overlap in functionality is healthy, but having a handful of fairly distinct ones that overlap on some points is just a good thing.

We have hundreds of full sized frontend applications, millions of lines of both javascript and scss. Thousands of extremely complex i/o operations and algorithms. We push the tools in the ecosystem to their limit and have to write our owns where they fail us.

And when I'm at home making a small app, create-react-app and VSCode, then npm install-ing styled-components, is all I need to replicate 80% of the above. It's all just JavaScript so all my tools just work the way I expect them to.

Not everyone needs (or want!) this. And that's okay.

[knowThySelfx]

Agreed. The webside ecosystem is in a high state of flux. It has to be streamlined somewhere. Does it need a fundamental architectural change? Would like to see things a bit more saner ;)