[lucideer]

While I personally avoided this pitfall and learnt React alone before Redux, I have not meet anyone else who did the same. Literally everyone I've talked to about learning React did so (or tried, and failed to do so) with both, up front.

[a13n]

Wow, I wonder where people are getting the idea that they need to learn Redux. If you start a new job at a company that uses React, then you probably need to learn React + Redux simultaneously. But if you're just picking up React, Redux isn't useful whatsoever.

This image, from React conf years ago, communicates this sentiment perfectly: https://i.stack.imgur.com/tnk9a.png

[sotojuan]

> Wow, I wonder where people are getting the idea that they need to learn Redux

Because everyone with a React job or substantial React project uses Redux (or a similar library). It is common for junior devs to rush through learning libraries in hopes of being employable or a "real developer" as soon as possible.

[k__]

I started with Redux too, because the lead dev on a project said it's a must.

Now I did two projects without and everything is nice and simple.

[a13n]

It's definitely a must after a certain codebase size. 20k LoC maybe? But for personal projects, no way.